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Post by LunarOrbit on Aug 29, 2005 17:17:01 GMT -4
and screaming at you that you're a liar and a coward and a thief, Evidence? That is exactly what Bart Sibrel did... those were his last words before Aldrin punched him.
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Post by sts60 on Aug 29, 2005 17:21:38 GMT -4
and screaming at you that you're a liar and a coward and a thief, Evidence? It's clearly obvious that your truck wasn't capable of going all the way to Russia, even if you could have survived driving it through the English Channel. That alone is plenty! But I can make up more if you want, and all of it is just as good as Sibrel's, Kaysing's, Percy's, White's,...
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Post by margamatix on Aug 29, 2005 17:28:38 GMT -4
That is exactly what Bart Sibrel did... those were his last words before Aldrin punched him. Evidence?
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Post by Al Johnston on Aug 29, 2005 17:37:42 GMT -4
It's pretty clear on the video ;D
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Aug 29, 2005 17:40:27 GMT -4
margamatix, For heaven's sake! Why don't you go to the following link and watch a copy of the video for yourself ... Sibrel's words are extremely clear. Finding this took precisely 20 seconds, using "video bart sibrel buzz aldrin" as keywords for a google search. Perhaps you should try it before posting sometime. www.csicop.org/articles/20021018-aldrin/
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Post by margamatix on Aug 29, 2005 17:48:00 GMT -4
Thanks for the link, although I couldn't hear anything that could remotely be described as "screaming"
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Aug 29, 2005 17:52:15 GMT -4
Well, he certainly isn't engaging Mr Aldrin in polite conversation, is he?
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Post by apollo18 on Aug 29, 2005 18:37:55 GMT -4
I'm a pretty large guy (6'2", 245 lbs or 188 cm, 111 kg or almost 18 stone for you UK people). Suppose I politely asked margamatix for an interview on truck driving, then cornered him and started screaming at him in front of his family to swear on a Bible that he actually drove there, and called him liar and a thief? Surely he wouldn't take offense if he had actually done it... No, I wouldn't. I swear before almighty God that i have driven from the UK to Russia on several occasions. I swear on my children's eyes that I have driven from the UK to Russia on several occasions. If it's not a problem for me, then what problem do Neil and Buzz have with it? You coward your lying on the bible!!! And that's why the astronauts don't swear on the bible for Bart Sibrel
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Post by Obviousman on Aug 30, 2005 4:46:53 GMT -4
I have a friend who worked as a clerk in the trucking industry.
He told me that truckers often alter or fake their logbooks. That's clear evidence of the massive deception that's going on.
He also told me that it's impossible to drive from the UK to Russia, and that anyone who says so is lying.
I was so astounded by this, I got him to sign a statement documenting this hoax.
If you like, I can send you a copy.
All you have to do is send me $49.95 (plus $12.95 postage and handling) and I'll send you the statement, plus previously unreleased footage about how this massive hoax is occuring.
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Post by sts60 on Aug 30, 2005 9:24:48 GMT -4
Well, he certainly isn't engaging Mr Aldrin in polite conversation, is he? It is a fact that Sibrel lied to Aldrin to set up the encounter. It is a fact that he physically blocked the way of a 72-year-old man to prevent him from walking away. It is fact that he called him a liar, a coward, and a thief. It is a matter of opinion as to whether he was screaming or not. I am willing to say he was "yelling" rather than screaming. But that does not change the nature of the encounter. You are simply quibbling about a peripheral issue ("screaming" or not). The essential point is that Sibrel lied his way to meet Aldrin, blocked his way, and slandered him in front of family members, as part of a publicity stunt. That is despicable and unworthy of anyone claiming to be a real researcher. More importantly, I asked you if you would mind if I cornered you in front of family members, and screamed at you that you were a coward and a liar and a thief, and shoved a Bible at you demanding you swear on it. You said you wouldn't mind. Like I said before, you must be some kind of saint. Now that we've established what an amazingly gentle, patient, and forgiving person you are, how about we talk about your characterizations of the LM as too flimsy for its task? Or your apparent impression that it would need to be made of lead? Or your claim that no plausible mechanism exists to cool a spacesuit on the Moon?
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Post by echnaton on Aug 30, 2005 10:53:12 GMT -4
Now that we've established what an amazingly gentle, patient, and forgiving person you are, how about we talk about your characterizations of the LM as too flimsy for its task? Or your apparent impression that it would need to be made of lead? Or your claim that no plausible mechanism exists to cool a spacesuit on the Moon? Hope springs eternal in the human breast.
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Aug 30, 2005 11:41:15 GMT -4
Hope springs eternal in the human breast. So we have eternal springs in our breast ... is that how spacesuits are cooled on the moon
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 30, 2005 11:55:12 GMT -4
Perhaps they are hot springs?
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Post by JayUtah on Aug 30, 2005 13:33:03 GMT -4
It is a fact that he physically blocked the way of a 72-year-old man to prevent him from walking away.
Multiple times. Aldrin left the hotel with Sibrel in pursuit. When Sibrel blocked his way, he went back into the hotel, only to be headed off again by Sibrel. Aldrin exited the hotel and was blocked again by Sibrel, this time on the porch where the Bible-poking and name-calling occurred. This was about when Aldrin decked him.
The hotel staff was already coming to Aldrin's defense, and Sibrel had to be restrained by his own camera crew.
Clearly Aldrin did not want to speak to Sibrel, and clearly Aldrin made three reasonable attempts to retire peaceably. Sibrel provoked the incident, which is why no charges were filed against Aldrin.
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Post by rocketdad on Aug 30, 2005 21:28:01 GMT -4
Hey, margamatix. Have you ever studied logic? The facts of an argument are irrelevant if the structure of the argument is flawed. If I say "my wife refuses to answer when she stopped spying for Venezuela, and punched me in the nose the last time I asked her about it," That doesn't prove she's a Venezuelan spy. That only proves she's sick of my asking her nonsensical questions.
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