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Post by margamatix on Oct 1, 2005 10:17:15 GMT -4
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Post by frenat on Oct 1, 2005 10:28:04 GMT -4
Too much bouncing at double speed to have been on earth. Look at the arms, they move too fast. Way too much unsubstantiated nonsense in the absence of evidence from matix.  |
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Post by frenat on Oct 1, 2005 10:31:26 GMT -4
I'll give you one thing matix. You are good for humor. Have you thought about being a comedian? Might pay better than a truck driver.
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Post by sts60 on Oct 1, 2005 10:54:29 GMT -4
Thanks for moving the motion discussions. Yeah, I know lordoftherings' post included astronaut-moving things, but there was so much other stuff it's easier to separate out motion claims.
Shows some footage of the toy car which wouldn't have fitted into the lander in any case (yeah, I know the story. It was the size of a suitcase, and then they pulled on a string and it all popped open etc etc.....)
Well, apparently you don't know the story. The lunar rover was attached to the outside of the LM, not inside it. I have some errands to run but I'll post references later on, if somebody doesn't beat me to it.
But since anyone who has actually studied Apollo at all knows the rover didn't ride inside the LM, I really have to say that such elementary mistakes damages your credibilty. When you are willing to make such patently false claims, why should I give credence to your insistence that there's something odd about astronaut motion?
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Post by ouloncollouphid on Oct 1, 2005 10:55:40 GMT -4
I've noticed a change of tone in Margo's posts - he used to be ever-so-slightly earnest and at least pretended to be interested in the facts. Nowadays he is totally flippant and disrespectful. For example:
"(yeah, I know the story. It was the size of a suitcase, and then they pulled on a string and it all popped open etc etc.....)"
I prefer to believe it means that he now realises the stupidity of the HB claims and isnow having a bit of fun winding everybody up.
By the way, Margs, have you ever been to Nevada? Or have any idea what the Nevada desert looks like?
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Post by Bob B. on Oct 1, 2005 10:57:45 GMT -4
Complete ignorance on the part of the commentator. The crater issue has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked including on my Web site, which I repeat below for your convenience: “Let's consider several facts: (1) Although the Lunar Module descent engine was capable of 10,000 lbs of thrust (the usual hoax advocate's claim), it was throttled down to below 3,000 lbs as it neared the lunar surface. While still several feet above the ground, the descent engine was shut down as probes, extending 5 feet below the footpads, sensed contact with the surface. (2) The LM descended at an angle, moving laterally across the ground. When the astronauts identified a suitable landing site, the LM leveled off and dropped to the surface. The LM did not hover over its final landing site for any significant length of time. (3) The Moon's surface is covered by a rocky material called lunar regolith, which consists of fine dust particles, glass spheres and a jumble of large boulders and rocky debris. Lunar regolith has many unique properties, the most obvious being that the particles are very jagged, which causes them to interlock. When subjected to pressure, the regolith will resist, almost like solid rock. (4) In a vacuum exhaust gases expand rapidly once exiting the engine nozzle. “When one considers these facts the truth becomes obvious - The exhaust stream was not powerful enough or centralized enough to displace the regolith and blast out a crater. In this Apollo 11 photograph [ see photo] one can see some discoloration and a general lack of dust, which was mostly blown away. After the dust was removed a hard surface was exposed.” Margarmatix, if you really believe video shot on Earth and played back at half speed looks like it is on the Moon, then video actually shot on the Moon and played back at double speed will look like it is on Earth. How do you know which it true? If you know the story about how the LRV was stored then why did you bring it up? Holy crap, margamatrix! Do you really think that looks natural? I dare you to reproduce those leaping motions yourself in Earth gravity and have it look like the 2X version of this video. And by the way, of course astronauts are going to move more slowly on the moon. Their leaps will be slowed by the lower gravity and movement of their extremities has to fight the resistance of their pressurized spacesuits. Lower gravity also means less friction with the ground so the have to move more slowly and deliberately to maintain their footing. Furthermore, Space Shuttle astronauts also move slowly during their EVAs contrary to what the commentator says. |
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Post by lordoftherings on Oct 1, 2005 11:00:27 GMT -4
Nowadays he is totally flippant and disrespectful
Not that Margamatix needs me to point it out, but have YOU noticed the Pro-Apollo ppl's style against him here?
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Post by ouloncollouphid on Oct 1, 2005 11:07:48 GMT -4
Not that Margamatix needs me to point it out, but have YOU noticed the Pro-Apollo ppl's style against him here? Yes I have. Many here (more patient and knowledgable than I) take great trouble to give him thoughtful and informative answers to his slanderous mudslinging. I am very grateful that they do, for I have learned a great deal as a result. As might you, if you are interested. |
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Post by lordoftherings on Oct 1, 2005 11:11:13 GMT -4
Then I suggest you go back and read them and look for insults. I am sure you will find them.
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Post by ouloncollouphid on Oct 1, 2005 11:14:24 GMT -4
Then I suggest you go back and read them and look for insults. I am sure you will find them. Look for insults?! Why on earth would I do that? If you're determined to be offended and look for something to be offended by, then you'll find it. it looks like we agree. Sort of. |
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Al Johnston
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Post by Al Johnston on Oct 1, 2005 11:17:06 GMT -4
A rather obvious point that occurs is that the commentator compares the motion of the moonwalkers to that of shuttle astronauts inside the shuttle in a shirtsleeve microgravity environment.
Oddly enough there is footage of Apollo astronauts inside their spacecraft moving with the same sort of speed and fluidity that Shuttle occupants do now. Similarly, footage of Shuttle astronauts engaged in EVA doesn't exactly show them batting around like blue-@rsed flies.
One might almost conclude that being wrapped up in a big, bulky pressure suit affects one's movements somehow....
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Post by Al Johnston on Oct 1, 2005 11:22:12 GMT -4
Then I suggest you go back and read them and look for insults. I am sure you will find them. If you look back, you can find many examples of Margamatix affectedly claiming to be offended, fllowed by a subsequent post where he is patronising, rude, insulting or similarly offensive. What you won't find is the slightest sign of him learning anything. He gets treated with a lot more respect than he's earned. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 1, 2005 11:32:02 GMT -4
Shows some footage of the toy car which wouldn't have fitted into the lander in any case (yeah, I know the story. It was the size of a suitcase, and then they pulled on a string and it all popped open etc etc.....) They say a picture is worth a thousand words. |
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Post by skinbath on Oct 1, 2005 11:32:34 GMT -4
Nowadays he is totally flippant and disrespectful Not that Margamatix needs me to point it out, but have YOU noticed the Pro-Apollo ppl's style against him here? It does seem as if a lot of time is devoted to feeling slighted, either real or imagined,that deflects from the subjects in hand.....I`ve got to hand it to mag`s though.....he`s capable of some rather nifty footwork.....  |
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Post by LunarOrbit on Oct 1, 2005 11:43:34 GMT -4
What I see when I look back at all of the posts we've made are people writing very detailed responses to margamatix's claims, only to be ignored.
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