politik
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Post by politik on Oct 28, 2005 8:50:13 GMT -4
I always found it amusing to hear HBs talk about how the government lies to us all the time, so therefore its possible that the moon landings were faked. And it may be true that they are lying to us and keeping secrets from us.
I may be making a wild assumption here, but isn't it a lot easier to keep a particular government program a complete secret than a very public program that claims to do something that it won't? A secret program doesn't have to stand up to scrutiny if no one knows about it. A public one does.
The government may try to hide lots of things, but to try to completely fool the whole world into doing something that never would happen?
Maybe someday, the government will tell us about the experiments they did on some aliens that crash landed on Earth. But to go out of their way to fool people, it doesn't make sense.
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Post by moonglow on Oct 28, 2005 15:21:15 GMT -4
If you were going to fool the people, how would you fool them if you kept the program your trying to fool them with a secret?
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Post by ktesibios on Oct 28, 2005 17:21:53 GMT -4
I think I see politik's point. If you spend a shipload of taxpayer money on developing a platinoid umlaut with a directional cedilla and ultimately find out that you can't make a working umlaut out of platinoid, you're a lot better off, CYA-wise, if the whole program were a secret from the beginning than if you had ballyhooed it to the public from the beginning.
And, of course, if you try to fake the platinoid umlaut in public, with lots of photos, artifacts etc., there's an awful strong chance that people who really know the subject will realize that what you're showing them is really a tinplated dieresis with no cedilla at all, directional or otherwise- and then where are you?
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Post by JayUtah on Oct 28, 2005 18:23:06 GMT -4
Just from a security management standpoint it's a lot easier to keep a secret if the existence of the secret is unknown. You can still keep the nature of the secret, but people don't necessarily ask questions about things they don't even know about.
We have, at times, some secure areas in our building here at work. People know the areas exist, and they know where they are. They don't know the nature of the work that goes on inside them, although they could make educated guesses. It would be far better to have a completely separate facility whose existence was not generally known. It's easier to keep secret work secret if no one knows you're even doing it. In fact, for all I know, we do have a completely separate facility.
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Post by Data Cable on Oct 29, 2005 0:42:38 GMT -4
When presented with such an argument, my typical response is: "Please cite an example of a known, verified lie for which a mountain of supporting evidence comperable to that of Apollo has been supplied."
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Post by moonglow on Oct 29, 2005 2:57:50 GMT -4
I think I understand politik's point now too. I was looking at it from the view that if you wanted to fake something you couldn't do, you might want to first make people believe that you can really do what you say you can by creating a program that makes it look possible.
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politik
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Post by politik on Oct 30, 2005 18:55:08 GMT -4
I think I see politik's point. If you spend a shipload of taxpayer money on developing a platinoid umlaut with a directional cedilla and ultimately find out that you can't make a working umlaut out of platinoid, you're a lot better off, CYA-wise, if the whole program were a secret from the beginning than if you had ballyhooed it to the public from the beginning. And, of course, if you try to fake the platinoid umlaut in public, with lots of photos, artifacts etc., there's an awful strong chance that people who really know the subject will realize that what you're showing them is really a tinplated dieresis with no cedilla at all, directional or otherwise- and then where are you? That's exactly what I was thinking. You put it better than I did! If you are gonna fake something, do it from the comfort of your 28 story below ground mountain.
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lenbrazil
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Post by lenbrazil on Nov 8, 2005 15:24:06 GMT -4
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