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Post by dwight on Nov 16, 2005 9:52:07 GMT -4
While reading the current discussions my thoughts drifted into the following path. Considering the interest in spaceflight is a relatively harmless hobby (well for me its a hobby) I am amazed how much aggressive put down I encounter for my interest. I mean for example, do people who fish for a hobby have to deal with constant negation of their interest? How about model car racers? How about the football hobbiest who can rattle off the captain of England for the last 50 years by rote? Imagine if every time that fellow expressed his interest, someone autiomatically reorted, "I dont follow football because all the Grand Finals are rigged". I have a feeling it might be an extension of the "jock" versus "nerd" thing. You know, its not cool to be interested in space, therefore the put down. What better way to stir the pot than to get a whole bunch of "nerds" to start nerding off about their interest. Now, let's just assume for a minute that the whole thing was a scam, can't I just be left alone to enjoy my own deception? And is it not curious that in general alot of the proponents of the hoax theory were at one time into the Apollo history, yet have clear misunderstandings of basic themes of the project (CM to SM transgression is the argument I recall reading). It's as if I, claiming I was a Beach Boys fan, would say their greatest single was "Love Love Me Do" and since the death of their drummer John Bonham they haven't really made that great music anymore therefore I dont really follow them, but I still think their first CD single from 1961 really rocks. I find that for me personally the interest I have in Apollo has solidified my belief in the project. The more I read the less I find niggling thoughts, and I encounter no contradictory facts, especially in the video footage which also links to what I do as a career. see this thread apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1128282950and this one: apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1128204675anyhow that's my ramble. cheerio Dwight |
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Post by BertL on Nov 16, 2005 10:20:58 GMT -4
Why would it be uncool to be interested spaceflight? It is, dare I say it, the future of this world. Okay, so I can imagine some people would think it's "nerdy": it requires a lot of technical knowledge and, of course, knowledge about spaceflight itself.
I think the main problem lies within the subject itself: most people would find "spaceflight" something extraordinary (which it is), too complicated to be "cool".
Let's just compare space flights with automobiles. Why are automobiles cool? Because they're accessable to anybody (jocks in particular), yet still they're little miracles of technology. This is also why jocks who repair cars are concidered more cool than "normal" jocks.
Space flight, on the other hand, is so "far away from home" to be concidered cool at all.
Last note: Love Me Do was a Beatles song originally, I think. I'm very into the 60's music, which is very uncool for a nerdy 15-years old guy.
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Post by Ranb on Nov 16, 2005 11:09:20 GMT -4
"While reading the current discussions my thoughts drifted into the following path. Considering the interest in spaceflight is a relatively harmless hobby (well for me its a hobby) I am amazed how much aggressive put down I encounter for my interest."
It could be worse, you could be a gun nut. While someone you know might think space flight is a hoax, some of the people I know think gun ownerhip should be illegal. At least they do not think you are a potential murder suspect because of your hobby.
Ranb
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Post by Count Zero on Nov 16, 2005 14:21:49 GMT -4
Last note: Love Me Do was a Beatles song originally, I think. Psst! bertls: That was the joke - that and John Bonham was actually the drummer for Led Zeppelin. Remember, he was making an analogy for the ignorance of Hoax Believers. Actually, my teenage niece and her school friends are into 60s rock. |
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Post by snakeriverrufus on Nov 16, 2005 15:30:18 GMT -4
"While reading the current discussions my thoughts drifted into the following path. Considering the interest in spaceflight is a relatively harmless hobby (well for me its a hobby) I am amazed how much aggressive put down I encounter for my interest." It could be worse, you could be a gun nut. While someone you know might think space flight is a hoax, some of the people I know think gun ownerhip should be illegal. At least they do not think you are a potential murder suspect because of your hobby. Ranb excuse me, do you mean 'firearm enthusiast'  |
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Post by dwight on Nov 16, 2005 15:50:53 GMT -4
Well I am also seriously into 60's rock (thus the BB reference) with an interest in West Coast LA rock and psychedelic music from 1965 experimentational stuff to whenever it petered out. Although I find Air's Moon safari is perfect for watching Apollo space footage. |
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Nov 17, 2005 5:50:27 GMT -4
Erm ... without wanting to be oversensitive ... as a Christian, I do find the implication that I am somehow just "enjoying my own deception" to be somewhat insulting.
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Post by dwight on Nov 17, 2005 6:41:19 GMT -4
My sincere apologies, the deception reference was meant only with regards to the Apollo interest, and the religious reference aimed at cults although I didn't manage to articulate that well enough. The segement has been removed.
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Post by colinr on Nov 17, 2005 8:00:23 GMT -4
Well I'm a fairly dedicated model maker , specializing in 1/32nd scale modern aircraft, and this leads into a general interest in modern military aviation , and there are the odd HB'ers there as well.
The main one being that during the 1982 Falklands war the Argentina airforce actually hit/disabled/sunk HMS Invincible - it then was either replaced/re-paired before returning home.
I've seen this repeated with some venom over on some of the other boards I frequent...
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Post by gwiz on Nov 17, 2005 8:30:27 GMT -4
The Argentineans thought they'd sunk Invincible, but they'd actually got the Atlantic Conveyor support ship instead. Some of them subsequently had difficulty admitting this.
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Post by colinr on Nov 17, 2005 9:59:31 GMT -4
Yup - that pretty well is what some of them still think , Invincible was late back from the Falklands - therefore she must have ben in somewhere for repairs etc...
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Post by Count Zero on Nov 17, 2005 14:10:43 GMT -4
I seem to recall hearing somewhere that Invincible had actually roached a prop shaft bearing. This slowed her down quite a bit, reducing her ability to evade submarines. This was a closely guarded secret at the time. The British were very worried about Argentina's german-built submarines.
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Post by Obviousman on Nov 18, 2005 2:02:40 GMT -4
Well I'm a fairly dedicated model maker , specializing in 1/32nd scale modern aircraft, and this leads into a general interest in modern military aviation , and there are the odd HB'ers there as well. The main one being that during the 1982 Falklands war the Argentina airforce actually hit/disabled/sunk HMS Invincible - it then was either replaced/re-paired before returning home. I've seen this repeated with some venom over on some of the other boards I frequent... Oh dear. I work with a person who served on the INVINCIBLE during the Falklands. He is one of a few who has recently done a 'sideways' transfer from the RN to the RAN. Would you like me to give him the URL of the board in question? Ref: The hobby. I wouldn't sweat it. I'm an Australian, and damn proud of it.; yet I couldn't care less if Australia won the Ashes (sorry PeterB), or if the Wallabies are winning the Test, or if the Soccaroos got into the World Cup. This sometimes make conversation in my workplace difficult, but I wear my 'outcast' tag with pride. Though my compatriates will look upon my interest in manned space travel as a little 'strange', I can occassionally educate them in matters as to which they are not aware. in detail. Finally, I Iike what blows my sails and if other people don't - well, they have their interests, I have mine. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 18, 2005 4:32:15 GMT -4
yet I couldn't care less if Australia won the Ashes (sorry PeterB),
They didn't.
or if the Wallabies are winning the Test,
They aren't.
or if the Soccaroos got into the World Cup.
They did, but hey, we got the 2011 World Rugby Cup so who cares.
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Post by gregtj on Nov 18, 2005 6:00:19 GMT -4
We (Space program followers/fans) do seem to be in the minority. I still remember the horror of not being able to watch the infamous Apollo 13 TV broadcast because none of the (very few then) stations would carry it live. It had already become "old news" so soon after it had stopped the world in it's collective tracks. I thought Ron Howard captured that public apathy rather well. CNN did 3hrs live for Discovery's re-entry and landing in July, sadly probably because they figured many would tune in for a chance to watch another catastrophe unfold. I wonder how many seconds before touchdown they will cut over next time. Damn...we need Nasa TV in Canada  |
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