Mosis2 -- "Dark Moon"

[Kiwi]

Have you checked out just how reliable Bennett and Percy are by carefully laying straight pieces of paper along the centres of the tree-trunk shadows on page 22? There's not much shadow to work with on the left of picture 19a, so it does take care.

What do you find when you do this? Do the pieces of paper meet anywhere? How does this compare with the captions that say "Parallel shadows" under both of the pictures? Are you convinced by the statement near the centre of the right-hand column that says, "it is simply not possible to have variations in shadow direction on flat terrain... within any one picture, if that photograph is genuine." Have you checked this out yourself to see whether it's true?

[Kiwi]

Secondly, have you thought about Bennett and Percy's Neutral Point arguments on page 392 and following pages? It's not hard to do. Obviously, the original calculations would have been worked out on an imaginary line between the closest points on the Earth and the Moon, right? But do you think that a spacecraft travelling to the moon would travel along that line?

Try this: Draw a scale model of the Earth and the Moon and figure out, from the many figures that are available, roughly where an Apollo craft would be when it reaches its own neutral point. Hint: you must take into account the orbital speed of the Moon, or you'll never get it. Figure out in which direction it would head, in relation to the Moon's position, at the time it leaves Earth. And also roughly figure out the shape of that neutral pont line as you get further from the imaginary line connecting the two bodies.

You don't need to be super-accurate, but you do need to figure out whether the spacecraft would ever, at any time, be anywhere near that imaginary line. When I did this I could immediately see how wrong Bennett, Percy, and William L Brian were. Stupidly and ignorantly wrong, because they didn't do the most basic homework, such as this scale drawing with the Moon's and the spacecraft's motion marked on it.

[PhantomWolf]

Heya Kiwi.

He's seen the light. It didn't take long to realise exactly what sort of charletens the Hoax Crowd are and that relisation turned hm back from the brink that too many seem so willing to charge over. Hopefully he'll stay anyways.

[Kiwi]

Yep, I saw that. Just throwing a bit more fuel on the fire.

(By the way PW, you really should change your location to New Zealand. You sometimes refer to "here", but don't indicate where that is. C'mon, be a proud Kiwi!)

[PhantomWolf]

Hehehe, Most people here long enough know I'm a Kiwi, but I like the DOOM referance.

[3onthetree]

Poor Kiwi's.
More doom coming in the Rugby League test.

[Kiwi]

3onthetree said:

Poor Kiwi's.
More doom coming in the Rugby League test.

Hey, that was clever! So in that case Mushroom couldn't possibly be an Aussie... ;D

[PhantomWolf]

Heh, it'd be funny if they manage to do it agan, just for the look on Mushrooms face.

[3onthetree]

Heh, it'd be funny if they manage to do it agan, just for the look on Mushrooms face

Thats the image I would have posted if the Aussie team hadn't won 50 to 12 ;D

[Kiwi]

3onthetree said:

Thats the image I would have posted if the Aussie team hadn't won 50 to 12 ;D

But it's only a game... I didn't even know it was on until you mentioned it.

Now that's over, back to "Dark Moon" for Mosis2.

[roswell47]

hey Kiwi

I'm in Wgtn(NZ) as a matter of interest have a look at the book "One Giant Leap" by Tim Ferris,available at www.amazon.com on the cover shows AS12-40-5903 the classic Aldrin portrait.I have the book ,on his left shows the Sun above him and on his right shows a "greenish" object hovering above the horizon also there are no crosshairs in the photo,this is obviously different to other photos of the same thing AS-40-5903.The greenish object has been blacked out.Also go to www.apolloarchives.com and checkout AS12-48-7071 what is the object in the visor hanging down??the LM is in the background and it does not look like something from the surveyor spacecraft.Aldrin is a freemason, ref: The Secret Zodiacs of Washington DC and on a website I have seen him shaking hands with Fred Kleinchecht (freemason and NASA official).I know that "Lander" is a Echelon keyword(Waihopai NSA spybase ,Blenheim).At the end of the day the thing is suspect but I still think we walked on the moon
Also have a look at www.anomalous-images.com.Astronaut sightings,checkout the photo by Armstrong of a large object in formation with a smaller object which they observed,I also have this on video..

send me an email:[e-mail] ( I'm in Wgtn)

[PhantomWolf]

Hey Roswell. I';m just up the west coast a little further than Kiwi.

If there is no crosshairs in the phot on the cover, then it's been altered, whereas the scans availible in the ALSJ and Apollo Atlas are first generation scans of the transparencies and so the more authoriative representations. The Apollo 12 image has been answered in the thread you started about it.

[Kiwi]

roswell47 said:

...have a look at the book "One Giant Leap" by Tim Ferris,available at www.amazon.com on the cover shows AS12-40-5903 the classic Aldrin portrait.I have the book ,on his left shows the Sun above him and on his right shows a "greenish" object hovering above the horizon also there are no crosshairs in the photo,this is obviously different to other photos of the same thing AS-40-5903.The greenish object has been blacked out...

C'mon man, that's a falsified illustration for a book cover, so means nothing at all. Look at the real, wonderful, Hi-Res version at Kipp Teague's Apollo Archive and you' see that it's strongly tilted and ends right on the top of Buzz Aldrin's PLSS, possibly even cutting off a tiny bit of it. Neil Armstrong nearly messed up one of the best-known photographs of all time. The centre of the photo is below Buzz's right knee and there's no room for that "sun" at all, and the green object isn't there either.

The photo is AS11-40-5903 and the author of the book is Tim Furniss. We're proud pedants who are all for accuracy here, if you haven't noticed already, but welcome to ApolloHoax anyway.

I'm in Wgtn

You poor thing. You have my profound sympathy. After 20 years there I gladly left the place in 1989, and never called myself a Wellingtonian all the time I was there. It's nice being back in the real world. Only in Wellington have I ever come across "Mrs Buckets"!

There's another ApolloHoax member in Wellington (well, the more northern parts to be precise), but he's okay!

[sts60]

Only in Wellington have I ever come across "Mrs Buckets"!

That's "Bouquets"!