Can't operate a camera wearing gloves?

[AtomicDog]

I've been lurking here a long time, and I've finally been prompted to register and post.

Right now, I'm watching on NASA TV the Shuttle astronauts performing an EVA, specifically a helmet cam view of an astronaut performing repairs on the Space Station. Then it suddenly hit me - he's using the same kind of gloves that the HBs say were impossible to use to manipulate a Hasselblad camera.

So the Hoax Believers believe that one can construct a multi-tonne space station, make numerous repairs on the Hubble Space Telescope, and perform patch jobs on the Space Shuttle with these gloves, but operating a 'blad is right out.

Anyway, I'm glad to finally join you guys, and hope to add a little to the discussions.

[sts60]

Welcome, atomicdog! And good point - especially when you consider that the Hasselbads were modified for EVA use.

[robertd]

atomicdog said:

I've been lurking here a long time, and I've finally been prompted to register and post.

Right now, I'm watching on NASA TV the Shuttle astronauts performing an EVA, specifically a helmet cam view of an astronaut performing repairs on the Space Station. Then it suddenly hit me - he's using the same kind of gloves that the HBs say were impossible to use to manipulate a Hasselblad camera.

So the Hoax Believers believe that one can construct a multi-tonne space station, make numerous repairs on the Hubble Space Telescope, and perform patch jobs on the Space Shuttle with these gloves, but operating a 'blad is right out.

Anyway, I'm glad to finally join you guys, and hope to add a little to the discussions.

Welcome Atomicdog. I am generally a lurker too - but the more contributors the better. The whole idea that Months and months of training would not make it obvious whether a camera could be used or not and that they would either modify the camera further or delete the use of a camera with some explanation, is so lame as to be laughable.

[PhantomWolf]

I think that most of the arguments are laughable. NASA had access to the greatest expertise in Engineering, Photography, Geology, Telemetry, Astronomy and other things, and yet according to the HP's all these experts missed things that are so obvious that laymen can see through them. This is why some use the "Whistleblower" tactic of course. Though this still works on the princple that the Layman can see things the experts can't. In the end, when a Layman and an expert disagree in something, my money is generally on the expert.

[AtomicDog]

phantomwolf said:

I think that most of the arguments are laughable. NASA had access to the greatest expertise in Engineering, Photography, Geology, Telemetry, Astronomy and other things, and yet according to the HP's all these experts missed things that are so obvious that laymen can see through them. This is why some use the "Whistleblower" tactic of course. Though this still works on the princple that the Layman can see things the experts can't. In the end, when a Layman and an expert disagree in something, my money is generally on the expert.

My first memories of the manned space program begin with John Glenn and Friendship 7, and I followed Apollo with a passion that burned with the fire of a thousand suns. I can attest that, with the exception of a very few people who were generally regarded as kooks, NOBODY doubted the reality of Apollo.

A lot of people derided it as a waste of money that could have been "better spent feeding the poor" (how I remember the heated arguments I had with my dear departed brother); and a lot more noted that "we hadn't had all this rain before them fellers started walking on the Moon"; but their doubts were always based on the fact that Apollo had actually taken place.

ALL of the evidence that the HBs tout was available for review back in the 70's, and rest assured, it was pored over by expert and layman alike. So what did they miss that seems so obvious to the Hoax Believer today?

[JayUtah]

My very first space engineering project was working on the gloves to be used for operating the shuttle MMUs. I just love it when people who've never worn such gloves or even seen them up close claim with great apparent authority that certain things can't be done. Laughable.

[dwight]

but their doubts were always based on the fact that Apollo had actually taken place

Curiously, while watching the flagship reference film of HBers "Capricorn 1", I noticed that the Apollo missions are treated as historical fact. The NASA administrator uses the example of Apollo 17 to describe to the 3 soon-to-be faking astronauts, that indeed fakery is needed to keep up the successes made by the other real missions.

As a kid I could see through the plotholes in the conspiracy, but I'll save that for another thread. Sorry for the derailment here.

[bazbear]

dwight said:

but their doubts were always based on the fact that Apollo had actually taken place

Curiously, while watching the flagship reference film of HBers "Capricorn 1", I noticed that the Apollo missions are treated as historical fact. The NASA administrator uses the example of Apollo 17 to describe to the 3 soon-to-be faking astronauts, that indeed fakery is needed to keep up the successes made by the other real missions.

As a kid I could see through the plotholes in the conspiracy, but I'll save that for another thread. Sorry for the derailment here.

It's been a long, long time since I've seen this flick, but thank you for verifying my now vague recollections of it. I was pretty sure that it was a big part of the basis of the plot; we went to to the moon, and now they want us to do the "impossible" (with the technology of the time, as portrayed)

[Obviousman]

Even though a lot of people seem to hate it, I quite enjoyed Capricorn 1. If it has a spacey theme, I'm in. Elliot Gould was great as the wise-ass journo.

BTW, don't forget the Hassellblad was modified with the trigger-grip attachment .

Now let's talk about how it would have been impossible to change the film, because you couldn't thread the film end into the camera uptake spool wearing those gloves......

(waits for a HB to use THAT little gem in a "Why the moon landings were faked" arguement)

[PhantomWolf]

Now let's talk about how it would have been impossible to change the film, because you couldn't thread the film end into the camera uptake spool wearing those gloves......

Well since I can show them footage of Charlie Duke changing film.......