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Post by Trinitrotoluene on Sept 26, 2006 5:10:44 GMT -4
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Post by Jason Thompson on Sept 26, 2006 5:57:17 GMT -4
Well, I certainly don't see anything recognisable as footlights. Three small blobs in a reflection do not convincing evidence make.
Additionally, this picture was taken during the flag setup. Cernan's hand is raised in salute of the flag. This event was recorded on TV, and the TV camera was aimed at the astronaut taking the pictures. Guess what? No sign of those 'footlights' whatsoever.
Conclusion: they are not reflections of objects that are actually there, but are probably light hotspots on the visor.
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Post by gwiz on Sept 26, 2006 7:45:16 GMT -4
Part of his right arm, eg highlights from the wrist ring?
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Post by gwiz on Sept 26, 2006 9:13:28 GMT -4
This event was recorded on TV, and the TV camera was aimed at the astronaut taking the pictures. So where is the TV camera in the visor reflection? Where would the LM and the rover be? Are any of these candidates for the bright spots? Edit: Just checked the full frame of the photo, they are obviously not. I'll go back to my first theory that it is the reflection of his arm and hand.
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Post by Trinitrotoluene on Sept 26, 2006 10:27:52 GMT -4
Cheers guys, the guy I'm debating with about this says the foot lights are pointed at the sky, and he doesn't answer when I ask him how come we can see them if they're pointed away I originally thought it was the rover, but after viewing the uncropped picture I can see this isn't the case. I'm going to download the high res one now, hopefully that will settle his believes... sigh being a debunker is hard work!
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Post by Jason Thompson on Sept 26, 2006 12:30:24 GMT -4
So where is the TV camera in the visor reflection?
It's not in the visor reflection. It's mounted on the rover which is behind Cernan.
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Post by bazbear on Sept 27, 2006 0:15:51 GMT -4
Whatever is causing those reflections, they certainly seem to rule out multiple lights; otherwise we'd have multiple shadows, wouldn't we?
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Post by Kiwi on Sept 27, 2006 0:18:15 GMT -4
JayUtah and another member here may be more familiar with what footlights looked like in 1972, but as a photographer since before then, I'd comment as follows:
Clearly, we are seeing some sort of specular highlights, but why does the HB claim that they are footlights? Surely footlights would be in a row, more symmetrical even though reflected in a round visor, and much lower down? And because the main lighting is so obviously sunlight, what would be the point of footlights in any case? Surely they would be giving a yellow reflection, not a bright white one, or if masked with blue filters to match sunlight, they would be far too weak to show up so brightly?
Look at the dirt all over Cernan. Could it be that there are some glass spherules on his helmet or wrist, reflecting sunlight?
All we see are three specular reflections. Is that proof of a hoax? Absolutely not.
Personally, I think they are Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and the Big Bopper saying a last hurrah to the American people and congratulating them on their marvellous series of moonlanding missions. See, Elvis is also there, trying out his new white jumpsuit for his later cabaret period.
Edited 4:57pm 27 Sep 2006 to add "or wrist", third paragraph.
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Post by bazbear on Sept 27, 2006 0:20:21 GMT -4
J Personally, I think they are Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and the Big Bopper saying a last hurrah to the American people and congratulating them on their marvellous series of moonlanding missions. See, Elvis is also there, trying out his new white jumpsuit for his later cabaret period. Dang, I think you've hit the head on the nail!
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