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Post by turbonium on Oct 15, 2006 5:02:56 GMT -4
Looking at the video, I found at least two examples where editing - even if any did occur - was not responsible for creating a false impression.
The Aldrin interview shows him getting angry - on camera - when Sibrel starts playing the Apollo 11 video.
The Bean interview shows him getting angry - on camera - the moment that Sibrel asserts the landings were a hoax.
At any rate, the anger is quite interesting, even if it isn't proof of a guilty conscience.
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Post by HeadLikeARock (was postbaguk) on Oct 15, 2006 5:33:57 GMT -4
At any rate, the anger is quite interesting, even if it isn't proof of a guilty conscience. I agree. And I'm glad Aldrin twatted him, only problem I have is he didn't knock Sibrel spark out. For that, I really would have paid for the DVD...
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Post by gillianren on Oct 15, 2006 18:08:22 GMT -4
These men risked their lives. In fact, some people they knew actually did lose their lives, and some others--some of the others Sibrel has harassed--came very close indeed. I mean, I get upset when my boyfriend assumes someone else cleaned the bathroom. (We live alone--or did, when he was here--but I've got a friend who used to come over and clean for us sometimes.) And you can't understand why they were upset when being told that the greatest accomplishment of their lives was a multi-billion dollar fraud?
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Post by turbonium on Oct 19, 2006 2:20:37 GMT -4
Sorry, but the bathroom comparison somehow eludes me.... Anyway, the entire issue is quite subjective. At the very least, however, viewing it has provided splendid entertainment for most of us!
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Oct 19, 2006 5:01:36 GMT -4
Sorry, but the bathroom comparison somehow eludes me.... I think gillianren was simply alluding to ... In her case, she gets annoyed when her boyfriend simply assumes that someone else (rather than gillanren) has cleaned the bathroom. In Buzz Aldrin's case, he gets annoyed when some jumped up pseudo-journalist like Bart Sibrel belittles one of the greatest achievements of all time (of which Buzz was an important part) by claiming it was all a big con. The point being, in the whole scheme of things, gillianren's bathroom cleaning is significantly less important than going to the moon, and yet she would get worked up about that ... so there is therefore nothing whatever suspicious about the fact that Dr Aldrin would get worked up about the moon landing.
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Post by sts60 on Oct 19, 2006 9:20:00 GMT -4
Not all of us have reached the Zen-like state of unruffleable serenity achieved by turbonium, lionking, margamatix, etc., which allows one to remain perfectly calm and sweet-natured when confronted by an obnoxious fraud like Sibrel.
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Oct 19, 2006 10:04:50 GMT -4
Too right ... I sure haven't ...
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Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 19, 2006 17:05:25 GMT -4
I tend to be a calm and sereneperson most of the time, but I'd be likely to to use it with BS too.
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Post by gillianren on Oct 19, 2006 17:56:31 GMT -4
Sorry, but the bathroom comparison somehow eludes me.... I think gillianren was simply alluding to ... In her case, she gets annoyed when her boyfriend simply assumes that someone else (rather than gillanren) has cleaned the bathroom. In Buzz Aldrin's case, he gets annoyed when some jumped up pseudo-journalist like Bart Sibrel belittles one of the greatest achievements of all time (of which Buzz was an important part) by claiming it was all a big con. The point being, in the whole scheme of things, gillianren's bathroom cleaning is significantly less important than going to the moon, and yet she would get worked up about that ... so there is therefore nothing whatever suspicious about the fact that Dr Aldrin would get worked up about the moon landing. Exactly right. I also just had some random jerk post on my Rotten Tomatoes journal that I was making up my whole life, and that made me mad. Clearly, I'm just touchier than you, Turbonium--and if I am, isn't it logical to assume that there are other people who are as well?
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Post by turbonium on Oct 20, 2006 1:49:24 GMT -4
Not all of us have reached the Zen-like state of unruffleable serenity achieved by turbonium, lionking, margamatix, etc., which allows one to remain perfectly calm and sweet-natured when confronted by an obnoxious fraud like Sibrel. Nah. It's really not that difficult to remain perfectly calm under pressure. Just relax, take a few deep breaths, and go to your happy place!
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Post by turbonium on Oct 20, 2006 2:13:49 GMT -4
Exactly right. I also just had some random jerk post on my Rotten Tomatoes journal that I was making up my whole life, and that made me mad. Clearly, I'm just touchier than you, Turbonium--and if I am, isn't it logical to assume that there are other people who are as well? Sure, everybody's different. But consider that these men would have needed a very cool, calm demeanor to perform their jobs. I can just imagine Aldrin pummeling Armstrong because he didn't close his poop bag and chunks floated into Aldrin's face! Or maybe they start accusing each other of pigging out on the food supplies, and the ensuing brawl trashes the CM beyond repair. I'm just joking, of course. But compared to the level of stress flying to the Moon would involve, a smirking buffoon telling them they never went hardly ranks up there on the "stress-meter"....
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Post by reynoldbot on Oct 20, 2006 3:35:29 GMT -4
Exactly right. I also just had some random jerk post on my Rotten Tomatoes journal that I was making up my whole life, and that made me mad. Clearly, I'm just touchier than you, Turbonium--and if I am, isn't it logical to assume that there are other people who are as well? Sure, everybody's different. But consider that these men would have needed a very cool, calm demeanor to perform their jobs. I can just imagine Aldrin pummeling Armstrong because he didn't close his poop bag and chunks floated into Aldrin's face! Or maybe they start accusing each other of pigging out on the food supplies, and the ensuing brawl trashes the CM beyond repair. I'm just joking, of course. But compared to the level of stress flying to the Moon would involve, a smirking buffoon telling them they never went hardly ranks up there on the "stress-meter".... So you think that Apollo astronauts are supposed to be unfeeling robots? Aldrin is never allowed to express human emotions? The astronauts were able to cope with high stress situations like that because it was essentially necessary for their survival. Sure they were trained to deal with certain kinds of stresses but to find it suspicious that they have any kind of breaking point is to find it suspicious that they are human. Not to mention that there are many other factors unknown to us that could have contributed to the reaction Aldrin had. Can't you understand that you are merely projecting your own mind into Aldrin's situation? Not only that, but you have the benefit of being able to think about the incident in terms of time that go way beyond the length of time that these interviews actually took, and you have the benefit of hindsight to tell you what is going to happen. The entire event (at least the one where Aldrin punches Sibrel) took about a minute and neither party knew how the other was going to behave in the moment. And there's another inconsistancy. You can bet that both Aldrin and Sibrel's adrenaline were pumping during the event. Did you factor that into your projected reaction? I doubt it. Your assumption is based on the luxuries of hindsight, an indefinite time to choose your reaction, and the lack of energy actually experienced by both parties during the ambush interviews. But in the end, the most damning thing is that you are not Buzz Aldrin. You are not him, you are not close to him, and you know nothing about him personally. Telling us how he should have reacted means nothing.
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Post by hplasm on Oct 20, 2006 6:14:29 GMT -4
Not all of us have reached the Zen-like state of unruffleable serenity achieved by turbonium, lionking, margamatix, etc., which allows one to remain perfectly calm and sweet-natured when confronted by an obnoxious fraud like Sibrel. Nah. It's really not that difficult to remain perfectly calm under pressure. Just relax, take a few deep breaths, and go to your happy place! The room where the weapons are kept...
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Post by turbonium on Oct 22, 2006 0:28:21 GMT -4
But in the end, the most damning thing is that you are not Buzz Aldrin. You are not him, you are not close to him, and you know nothing about him personally. Telling us how he should have reacted means nothing. And you aren't Buzz Aldrin, either! (or are you? ) Look - I never told you "how he should have reacted" as if I were the "God of All Human Behavior" or something. I'm simply saying that the reactions seem very unusual under the circumstances, in the opinion of an outside observer (me, specifically). In the end, of course, my opinion and your opinion are just that - personal opinions that are relevant only to ourselves (and maybe our families or friends).
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Post by turbonium on Oct 22, 2006 0:31:21 GMT -4
Nah. It's really not that difficult to remain perfectly calm under pressure. Just relax, take a few deep breaths, and go to your happy place! The room where the weapons are kept... Wow! That's your happy place, too?!? Thought I was the only one!
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