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Post by cameron on Oct 23, 2006 12:39:26 GMT -4
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Post by gwiz on Oct 23, 2006 12:46:29 GMT -4
Ask him for his source for his radiation belt data - not some conspiracy website but a scientific paper. If he can't answer, keep telling him how gullible he is to believe something with no evidence.
Ask him what radiation data current satellite builders use and how it differs from Apollo data.
Just keep asking.
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Post by cameron on Oct 23, 2006 13:02:13 GMT -4
Its not just radiation its everything you put to them. I know I'm a sucker for even trying to convince them but i just cant help myself Id love some help over there, safety in numbers and all that. They even reckon the Russians didn't spill the beans on a hoax because the cold war was fake. Man you should read some of their ideas about space and Apollo. darkconspiracy.trhonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=1298&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Post by sts60 on Oct 23, 2006 13:03:41 GMT -4
Hi, cameron. Welcome to the board.
gwiz made a very important point. Satellite builders (I work for one) and operators use radiation data largely developed by NASA efforts. If the data was at oods with reality, all the commercial users (as well as civil and military users) would notice rather quickly. This applies to other spacefaring nations as well - Russia, Japan, India, China, Brazil, etc.
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Post by cameron on Oct 23, 2006 13:13:56 GMT -4
Hi sts60, thanks. It would be cool if you guys could ask them about this stuff. Don't worry its not my site and i'm not fishing for posters. The Mod over there doesnt like me and bans me when he realises who it is. Seeing as I'm the only one who thinks the Moon landings were not faked i stand out a mile. A few more posters with this view would help me blend in. I did nothing wrong on his site he just doesnt like me.
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Post by gwiz on Oct 23, 2006 13:26:16 GMT -4
They even reckon the Russians didn't spill the beans on a hoax because the cold war was fake. Doesn't a fake Cold War rather undermine the reason for faking Apollo - to appear to beat the Russians? PS just saw HC's latest post. Ask him how transparent the helmet was in the ultraviolet spectrum.
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Post by cameron on Oct 23, 2006 13:37:36 GMT -4
I wish i could I'm banned at the moment and as soon as i show up i get banned again they recognize me cos I'm the only one who stands up to HC. Thats one of the reasons it would be cool for others to post no hoax stuff. HC does have some wacky ideas. He believes the world is hollow and 6 million Nazis live on the inside and have Ufos. I see what you mean about Ask him how transparent the helmet was in the ultraviolet spectrum. i never asked questions like that. He posted about the visor in response to one of my posts that got deleted. He posted that we don't know if the astronauts were in the studio or they used actors. I pointed out that sometimes you see their faces and you read his response. I hate these people stamping all over the space program it drives me ape. BTW how transparent was it ;D
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Post by sts60 on Oct 23, 2006 16:02:03 GMT -4
He believes the world is hollow and 6 million Nazis live on the inside and have Ufos.
The real question is, "Why do you want to waste your time in a forum for nutjobs like that?"
Go outside. Read a book. Play with a dog. Look over the Apollo documentation. Whatever. But don't divert your energies to obscure haunts for the terminally ignorant.
If you want to argue with conspiracists, choose your battles: pick one or two forums where people do not get banned for their views and where there is some sort of expectation that you should back up your claims with more than handwaving.
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Post by nomuse on Oct 23, 2006 16:07:17 GMT -4
Yah. I do enjoy watching the antics sometimes, but actually speaking up on a forum where those are the strongly-held beliefs....that's a useless occupation.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 23, 2006 17:23:22 GMT -4
BTW how transparent was it To UV? It was opaque, but then a lot of materials are, including common window glass.
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Post by politik on Oct 24, 2006 16:56:44 GMT -4
Hey cameron, did you get a reason for being banned the first time? Do you know if you acutally broke any of the rules?
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Post by cameron on Oct 24, 2006 17:41:40 GMT -4
Hi politik, I didn't break any rules i was very careful not to. The admin posted a message explaining why i was banned I'm trying to find it now. He said i had posted things that he had removed and i reposted them. Not true. Surprisingly enough some of the members of the forum came to my defence but to no avail. Here we go ive found it, he also accused me of being one or more other people on the forum which also is not true as you can see people who know me and the other person told the admin we wernt the same person but he wouldnt/didnt want to listen. darkconspiracy.trhonline.com/viewtopic.php?p=12786&highlight=#12786Notice how no one else saw my offending posts? Quote from Brido I must admit, I haven't seen P.J starting anything or being out of order, but he did ask questions, and if that's deemed out of order, then that is censorship. We didn't alwys agree, but that is what debate is about.
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Post by cameron on Oct 24, 2006 17:57:54 GMT -4
I pretended to be another user and made doubly sure i stayed in line. They realised who i was by me being the only skeptic. They couldn't prove it and didn't accuse me of it but they banned me . The reason, for using a proxy. Even though others use proxies and openly talk about which ones they use.
BTW using a proxy is not mentioned in the rules.
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Post by cameron on Oct 24, 2006 19:51:17 GMT -4
BTW how transparent was it To UV? It was opaque, but then a lot of materials are, including common window glass. Hi phantomwolf this was HC's reply Actually UV can penetrate window glass. This is necessary for a greenhouse to function. The reason it gets so hot inside one is because high frequency rays pass through the glass and warm up the interior. This heat radiatres out as low freak IR which cannot pass through glass, so it builds up inside the greenhouse. I also got a nasty sunburn in Australia once; it was on a long car journey where the sun was shining on my arm the whole time even though the windows in the car were shut. I think some car windows in that country are treated to be UV-proof, like sunglasses. The visors on the Apollo space helmets are actually filled with gold dust; this must have some sort of UV protection because the levels outside the atmosphere are so high. I actually once saw a TV ad for sunglasses where the manufacturer was boasting that they madespace helmet visors for NASA. Did i get it wrong i was under the impression that the clear part of the helmet without the sun visor was opaque to UV.
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Post by cameron on Oct 24, 2006 19:56:36 GMT -4
As for the satalites he posted I imagine that by the 21st century, after many more space missions and observations, we now have a fairly good idea of the nature of radiation in deep space. At least the manufacturers of spacecraft and satelites will be aware of any remaining uncertainty and build an apropriate margin of error into their designs.
But there is still a lot of uncertainty about; or at least there was in the 1980's and 90's He says his source of data is a british quiz show university challenge
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