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Post by BertL on Jan 7, 2007 16:56:15 GMT -4
Greig, what's your username on that board? Also, why have the forums been inactive for one and a half months? Can I assume you are somebody who wants to blow new life on those boards?
Also I find it funny one of the moderators is called Straydog.
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Post by AtomicDog on Jan 7, 2007 16:58:45 GMT -4
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Post by hplasm on Jan 7, 2007 17:04:07 GMT -4
There is a character called MID who haunts moon forums and has managed to convince a large number of people he worked on Apollo. He hasn't because he doesn't understand high school physics no matter his knowledge of the space programme. Strangely, he has shown a greater grasp of physics so far than you have: when do you intend to demonstrate your table turning educational prowess?
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Post by nomuse on Jan 7, 2007 17:08:02 GMT -4
Still wondering when I pointed to Clavius. I usually figure other people will have done the easy part. Me, I believe in education; I'm usually out trying to find analogies and examples and trying to help the typical hoax believer find a better mental model so THEY can answer the question for themselves.
Again pretty good evidence someone is drawing conclusions before doing the research.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jan 7, 2007 17:56:05 GMT -4
I would like to point out that "greig" hasn't actually said anything intellectual or technical yet here.
I'm not a physics guy or a phd in astoradiation or whatever, but I have yet to encounter technical information related to the Apollo missions that I'm unable to comprehend.
The alleged Greig has merely posted references to a crappy, compressed version of a "documentary" by a guy who engages in arm-waving, ad-hominim, strawman arguements, and utterly fabricated gibberish. I was watching it in spare moments the other day, but I finally had to give up. It was too stupid. The flimmaker (as in flimflam) addresses some guy named "frank" repeatedly. He demands that "frank" tell him why the hypergolic fuels used in the LM don't produce red/black smoke, and then cuts away without "frank" answering.
The point I gave up watching was this, though: he's showing footage of the moon from the Lunar Module during the deorbit/landing maneuver. He says "Notice the horizontal travel. The 10,000 pound thrust rocket on the bottom is keeping it from falling to the ground..." and then criticises the arrangement of motors in the LM, because they can't do the job he thinks they're doing. But what he thinks is complete nonsense. Even I know better how the deorbit momentum is being redistributed, and that's before I downloaded Orbiter.
The alleged greig has also insulted every one of us, categorically and in some cases individually. The conversations that usually happen here are interesting, and we all learn technical details. Those of us who are not rocket scientists and have "useless" degrees in history, art, graphics design, etcetera, but have a deep interest in the meat of the space program learn a lot. I learned more about thermodynamics during one of the "moonman" discussions than I ever would have bothered to research without MM's stimulus. Not that Moonman was anything to write home about, he was a complete donk, but at least he was interesting.
The alleged greig was amusing for a moment, but I've lost interest.
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Post by greigdempsey on Jan 7, 2007 17:56:51 GMT -4
Sure at that level, fine but when he appeared in the MSN forum , he didn't know that projectile motion has two completely independent (horizontal and vertical) components.
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Post by AtomicDog on Jan 7, 2007 18:07:59 GMT -4
Why don't you do what I did? Link the thread and let us judge for ourselves.
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Post by hplasm on Jan 7, 2007 18:15:50 GMT -4
MID was, as I recall, the Nemesis of Straydog, who it appears has disappeared up his own exhaust nozzle, according to the msn forum. Or the MIB finally got him, as he predicted they would
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Post by greigdempsey on Jan 7, 2007 18:18:57 GMT -4
Why don't you do what I did? Link the thread and let us judge for ourselves. Sorry, it's very annoying but I can't find it because the forum was vandalised. I did look. Also messages and threads were deleted by a manager which is what caused the dispute on the forum. I do not approve of deletions or banning unless someone is being very deliberately disruptive. I was the nemesis of straydog as it happens because of the above.
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Post by phunk on Jan 7, 2007 18:22:58 GMT -4
MID was, as I recall, the Nemesis of Straydog, who it appears has disappeared up his own exhaust nozzle, according to the msn forum. Or the MIB finally got him, as he predicted they would Oh, he's not gone, he's plenty active on a couple other forums I participate in.
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Post by greigdempsey on Jan 7, 2007 19:14:46 GMT -4
There are plenty of active threads if anyone here thinks they can handle a discussion on a level playing field with somone who is better qualified and much smarter than they are. groups.msn.com/Moonhoax/Of course I was only teasing, naughty old me !
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Post by hplasm on Jan 7, 2007 19:27:20 GMT -4
There are plenty of active threads if anyone here thinks they can handle a discussion on a level playing field with somone who is better qualified and much smarter than they are. groups.msn.com/Moonhoax/Of course I was only teasing, naughty old me ! To quote a trusted source:-
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Post by nomuse on Jan 7, 2007 19:32:44 GMT -4
Ah, yes. MSN Groups, where I always go for deep thought.
First post I clicked on was a dear lad who seems to believe shadows grow shorter as you move away from an artificial light source (methinks he means, nearby point source.)
Maybe I've spent too many decades lighting for photography and the stage -- and I'm subsequently brainwashed -- but I really can't figure out what kind of wonderland geometry would make that happen. Outside of, of course, the real geometry of a changing surface the shadow is cast upon...
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Post by greigdempsey on Jan 7, 2007 19:45:06 GMT -4
Ah, yes. MSN Groups, where I always go for deep thought. First post I clicked on was a dear lad who seems to believe shadows grow shorter as you move away from an artificial light source (methinks he means, nearby point source.) Maybe I've spent too many decades lighting for photography and the stage -- and I'm subsequently brainwashed -- but I really can't figure out what kind of wonderland geometry would make that happen. Outside of, of course, the real geometry of a changing surface the shadow is cast upon... Well you are wrong on that point. Put your hand close to a desk lamp or walk into a dark room from a lit one. You can also see from this This is directly from NASA (their site is down today) homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/ap14_flag.mpegThe difference in shadow lengths is enormous and it's very clear there are no hills or slopes . Further the landing sites were chosen to have no more than a seven degree slope (11:17). video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9099963025139335412&q=moonAre you saying there is a hill in that scene which would cause a shadow to lengthen by about five or ten times within a few metres which it does ? . Perhaps there is some other reason for it ? added Methinks he doesn't mean a point source but a giant reflective surface which has lights shone on it by the way.
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Post by hplasm on Jan 7, 2007 19:46:53 GMT -4
Get the drinks, I'll put the popcorn on. It's starting!
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