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Post by Count Zero on Feb 18, 2007 15:27:17 GMT -4
Welcome svector. Well done, so far. The dust and the flag segments were the best. I'm glad you led with the dust. That evidence is the most readily accessable to the video audience. The way you presented it was marvelous. The porthole & transparency segments dragged a bit, but got the points across. I still think you should have matched the video to the Hasselblad images taken at the same time. The hi-res scans clearly show the outline of North America. The highest res scans can be found by following these instructions. Good job showing the Earth's rotation and pointing out the moving cloud patterns after one day. You can match the cloud patterns to NOAA precipitation charts here. Actually, if you can find archival newspapers for those days, a weather map from them would be proof against "historical revisionism" arguments. I have not yet been able to find Nimbus or Tiros weather satellite images from those days to compare to the Apollo images. Hopefully someone can find the right archive. |
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Post by AtomicDog on Feb 18, 2007 16:14:42 GMT -4
Hi guys. Thanks for your comments on the video. Look for part 5 some time tonight or tomorrow. Yes, I need a narrator for future projects!! I'm accepting .mp3 audtions now. ;D Hi, svector. Great video, with just one tiny nitpick. The "colossal mistakes" section at the beginning of video one looked a little...one sided, politically speaking. I admit that one side pulled some spectacular boners, but the other side did as well. On the other hand, looking at your video, I finally understand the HBs "transparency in the window" claim that they have been making for months, and you clearly illustrate that it makes no sense whatsoever. |
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Post by Count Zero on Feb 18, 2007 18:11:13 GMT -4
I really liked the opening. I didn't see any political problem - he was clearly going for a light-hearted approach, and thus picked two funny examples. The dig at Bart that it built up to was priceless. I loved the shift from funny to exhilarating as he cuts to the Saturn V. It reaches out and grabs you and says, "See this? This is us at our best. This is proof that we can do great things, and to hell with anyone who says otherwise!"
That right there sums up why I am so passionate about Apollo. Apollo = Hope for us all. Those who try to tear down Apollo are trying to take that hope away.
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Post by dwight on Feb 18, 2007 18:42:48 GMT -4
That right there sums up why I am so passionate about Apollo. Apollo = Hope for us all. Those who try to tear down Apollo are trying to take that hope away. That's precisely my reasons for being passionate about the Apollo project. Just the TV development documentation alone is incredibly detailed. What a huge undertaking for one small part of the whole thing. I love when I speak to the engineers and technicians involved that they burst with enthusiasm about the cameras. That rubs off on me, and I am compelled to learn more!! |
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Feb 18, 2007 18:58:53 GMT -4
Welcome to apollohoax, svector.
I liked your vids and was not bothered by the CG voice over. If you had a product to shill, like some we could name, then you could afford to hire pretty blonde girls do your narration, but instead you chose a simple, inexpensive approach - low budget honesty. I can admire that.
I read a bunch of the comments on youtube - wow. What a bunch of angry, name-calling children.
Welcome to a more grown-up corner of the internet.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 18, 2007 20:27:47 GMT -4
Just watched them and have to add to the well dones. I probably would have added the footage from the second transmission where they zoom out from the Earth and show the window, then switch windows and zoom back in. I noticed you used a little bit of the second broadcast just after that, but to me, that particular sequence is the killing blow, and why Sibrel leaves it out and refuses to acknowledge it. (interestingly none of the HB's here will acknowledge it either, even when directly questioned on it.)
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Post by svector on Feb 19, 2007 14:21:56 GMT -4
Welcome svector. Well done, so far. The dust and the flag segments were the best. I'm glad you led with the dust. That evidence is the most readily accessable to the video audience. The way you presented it was marvelous. The porthole & transparency segments dragged a bit, but got the points across. I still think you should have matched the video to the Hasselblad images taken at the same time. The hi-res scans clearly show the outline of North America. The highest res scans can be found by following these instructions. Good job showing the Earth's rotation and pointing out the moving cloud patterns after one day. You can match the cloud patterns to NOAA precipitation charts here. Actually, if you can find archival newspapers for those days, a weather map from them would be proof against "historical revisionism" arguments. I have not yet been able to find Nimbus or Tiros weather satellite images from those days to compare to the Apollo images. Hopefully someone can find the right archive. Thanks very much for you constructive comments Count. Actually one of the NaNa's did accuse me of forging one of the pics so I made a rebuttal video addressing his charges. In that one I did use a timelapse sequence with the Hasselblad stills to better show rotation. It's called "Earth from beyond the Van Allen Belts" if you'd like to check it out. Part 5 is now uploaded but it seems YT has the flu again, so no telling when it'll go live.  This guy who accused me of forgery claims that the ATS3 weather satellite actually shot the color photos of earth you mention, and that those are the ones "taped to the window" in the Percy documentary. It doesn't seem to bother him that these gigantic 4400x4600 Hasselblad scans were clearly taken with a film camera, or that ATS3 was never in position over the Pacific to get the shots in the first place, or that its color camera crapped out soon after launch in 1967. The fun just never ends with these guys! LOL! |
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Post by svector on Feb 19, 2007 14:29:20 GMT -4
Hi guys. Thanks for your comments on the video. Look for part 5 some time tonight or tomorrow. Yes, I need a narrator for future projects!! I'm accepting .mp3 audtions now. ;D Hi, svector. Great video, with just one tiny nitpick. The "colossal mistakes" section at the beginning of video one looked a little...one sided, politically speaking. I admit that one side pulled some spectacular boners, but the other side did as well. On the other hand, looking at your video, I finally understand the HBs "transparency in the window" claim that they have been making for months, and you clearly illustrate that it makes no sense whatsoever. Haha, yes you are correct dog. To be honest, when I started this, I imagined it was going to be a single 5 or 6 minute clip, sprinkled with some humor and inside jokes for my pals to laugh at. Part 1 reflects this approach (baby Bart as an example), and I showed only Democrats as a way to tweak my good pal Satweavers, who's on the other side of the political fence. ;D The intro was more tongue-in-cheek than the rest of the series. As I got more involved, I got a little more serious about making what I hoped would be a quality product. I hope you didn't take offense. |
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Post by AtomicDog on Feb 19, 2007 14:51:25 GMT -4
No offense taken, and welcome to the forum. I see so many video clips from the Hoax-Believers side that it is a pleasure to see vids from filmmakers like you defending the reality of Apollo.
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Post by svector on Feb 19, 2007 15:13:11 GMT -4
Welcome to apollohoax, svector. I liked your vids and was not bothered by the CG voice over. If you had a product to shill, like some we could name, then you could afford to hire pretty blonde girls do your narration, but instead you chose a simple, inexpensive approach - low budget honesty. I can admire that. I read a bunch of the comments on youtube - wow. What a bunch of angry, name-calling children. Welcome to a more grown-up corner of the internet. Thanks gnomon, Yeah, it's an unmoderated jungle at YT, but I have a lot of fun there as well. Sometimes I need to unwind and clear my head, so it's great to have message boards like this one or the BA forums where like-minded people can share ideas without bloodshed.  I hadn't actually seen you guys until Sticks mentioned he had brought in a link to my vid. That's when I checked you out. Great board, and thanks Sticks! |
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Post by svector on Feb 19, 2007 15:15:01 GMT -4
Just watched them and have to add to the well dones. I probably would have added the footage from the second transmission where they zoom out from the Earth and show the window, then switch windows and zoom back in. I noticed you used a little bit of the second broadcast just after that, but to me, that particular sequence is the killing blow, and why Sibrel leaves it out and refuses to acknowledge it. (interestingly none of the HB's here will acknowledge it either, even when directly questioned on it.) LOL. Funny you mentioned that Wolf. Remember, you only saw up to part 4. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by svector on Feb 19, 2007 15:18:09 GMT -4
Just watched them and have to add to the well dones. I probably would have added the footage from the second transmission where they zoom out from the Earth and show the window, then switch windows and zoom back in. I noticed you used a little bit of the second broadcast just after that, but to me, that particular sequence is the killing blow, and why Sibrel leaves it out and refuses to acknowledge it. (interestingly none of the HB's here will acknowledge it either, even when directly questioned on it.) To follow up, I actually asked David Percy about this segment. He quickly gave me the brush off and said, "I'm sorry but I'm away from base right now, and don't have access to the footage you mention. I don't think I'll be able to help you with your questions". ROFL! Check out part 5 Wolf. I don't think you'll be disappointed. |
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Post by svector on Feb 19, 2007 15:20:22 GMT -4
No offense taken, and welcome to the forum. I see so many video clips from the Hoax-Believers side that it is a pleasure to see vids from filmmakers like you defending the reality of Apollo. It's mankind's greatest accomplishment. It's an easy thing to defend. |
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Post by AstroSmurf on Feb 19, 2007 15:27:33 GMT -4
Very interesting movies - I had seen all the claims before, but never debunked with such clarity. Your use of the medium to point out the relevant details in a frame to emphasise your points is pretty excellent overall. (And don't I wish the HBs would do the same instead of having us *guess* what they're getting at.)
Critique-wise, not much. The presentation of the CTs dragged a bit, and it's always difficult to avoid a bit of bad taste. I think you took a good middle road here - it's easy to steer into character assassination, even though the facts are that these guys *are* snake oil salesmen, it tends to detract from your argument if you linger on it. I also felt that Rene got a lot of "air time" before you actually explained what his line of argument is - I was left wondering why he was being brought up. If you were to recut that segment, finish off Sibrel before you tangle Rene.
Anyway, it's nice having a video available. It helps these days, since the HBs seem to shun the written word more and more for some reason. I felt the strongest bits were the dust and flag parts - to the point, *utterly* clear presentation and reasonably short. And I loved the intro...
Are you planning on assembling the sections into a whole video? Given the quality, I'd say you have a good shot at getting it aired, given some minor polishing.
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Post by svector on Feb 19, 2007 15:38:35 GMT -4
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