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Post by JayUtah on Mar 6, 2007 13:28:59 GMT -4
Using two completely different methods to arrive at essentially the same answer lends much credence to the authenticity of the photographs.
I agree, and well done. Using two different methods that arrive at similar answers that are consistent with the purported orbital mechanics of the spacecraft is exactly how photos can be used to authenticate the events they document.
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 6, 2007 13:37:14 GMT -4
...if that set of fairly well-matching craters you are using are the same ones the OP has been pointing at.
I originally asked Showtime for the IDs of the photos so I could verify them. Then I noticed that he used the same Apollo 8 photo in both his pairs and identified it there, so that let me find the second one.
The crater that Lionking identified, and other craters that I have used in the Apollo 8 pair, are the ones Showtime claims are also in the Apollo 11 photo. I don't agree that the Apollo 11 features he identifies are the same as the Apollo 8 features. But even if they were, it wouldn't make any difference because Apollo 8 and Apollo 11 both used the same lunar orbit and likely photographed many of the same features from orbit.
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Post by gwiz on Mar 6, 2007 14:04:20 GMT -4
...Apollo 8 and Apollo 11 both used the same lunar orbit... Not exactly. Apollo 11's orbit was almost equatorial, only inclined about 1 degree, while Apollo 8's orbit was inclined 12 deg to the lunar equator.
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 6, 2007 14:12:45 GMT -4
Apollo 11's orbit was almost equatorial, only inclined about 1 degree, while Apollo 8's orbit was inclined 12 deg to the lunar equator.
Correct, I was thinking of Apollo 10. T-shirt time, I think.
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Post by Obviousman on Mar 7, 2007 2:58:36 GMT -4
You have very nice printing there, Bob.
Sorry, but it's something I notice.
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Post by Count Zero on Mar 11, 2007 18:59:48 GMT -4
<<Arriving late for the party>> "That day"? One picture was taken in December, and the other one taken in July. All other factors being equal (which, as others have pointed out, they are not), the angle of the terminator would be skewed by over 30 degrees.
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Post by Kiwi on Mar 15, 2007 5:53:32 GMT -4
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Post by Kiwi on Mar 19, 2007 0:25:09 GMT -4
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Mar 19, 2007 5:26:17 GMT -4
Seems a pity that he can't bring himself to respond to this thread (that he started) whilst still having the time to Photoshop images of Charlton Heston and Gophers onto Apollo photographs and post them.
Are you taking the p***, showtime?
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 19, 2007 9:26:10 GMT -4
Well he's clearly not serious. So we either ignore him or indulge him.
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Post by showtime on Mar 19, 2007 14:43:39 GMT -4
I was going to respond to this thread with some actual counter points to some of the arguments, but since some just want post nasty comments toward me , I will just say this..THESE ARE ORBITAL PHOTOS & WOULD NOT BE PROOF MEN STEPPED ON THE MOON , they could of been taken by satellite orbiting the moon...
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Post by sts60 on Mar 19, 2007 14:47:49 GMT -4
I was going to respond to this thread with some actual counter points to some of the arguments, but since some just want post nasty comments toward me ,
But not everybody. So, if you have some actual "counter points", this would be the time to show them. Otherwise your claims will be dismissed by abandonment.
I will just say this..THESE ARE ORBITAL PHOTOS & WOULD NOT BE PROOF MEN STEPPED ON THE MOON , they could of been taken by satellite orbiting the moon...
What satellite? Who built it? When was it launched? Where is your evidence for its existence? And, if a satellite can be sent to the Moon, why not humans?
In other words, do you have anything other than handwaving to back up this claim?
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Post by nomuse on Mar 19, 2007 14:48:21 GMT -4
I was going to use this reply to jot down a marvelous proof I just discovered to a certain mathematical proposition, but there isn't enough room in the margin.
Talk is cheap. Saying you could counter an argument doesn't buy you the credibility of actually countering an argument.
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Post by AtomicDog on Mar 19, 2007 14:49:13 GMT -4
THESE ARE ORBITAL PHOTOS & WOULD NOT BE PROOF MEN STEPPED ON THE MOON , they could of been taken by satellite orbiting the moon...
Except for the fact that the only satellites orbiting the Moon at the times indicated taking photos using Ektachrome film were manned by Apollo astronauts...pretty strong evidence that they got at least as far as Lunar orbit.
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Post by Bob B. on Mar 19, 2007 15:15:53 GMT -4
I was going to respond to this thread with some actual counter points to some of the arguments, but since some just want post nasty comments toward me , I will just say this..THESE ARE ORBITAL PHOTOS & WOULD NOT BE PROOF MEN STEPPED ON THE MOON , they could of been taken by satellite orbiting the moon... We never said they were proof manned stepped on the Moon. You implied the orbital photos were faked and we've provided evidence to the contrary, nothing more, nothing less. If you are trying to make some other point, then please state it more clearly. We've asked you several times already what conclusion you are trying to draw by comparing these photographs but I don't believe you ever answered that question.
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