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Post by who on Apr 4, 2007 18:44:32 GMT -4
One credible and reputable astrophysicist who will prove, in a peer-reviewed document, that a man can go through the Van Allen Radiation Belt unscathed. Anyone know of one?
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Post by JayUtah on Apr 4, 2007 18:46:31 GMT -4
Yes, Dr. James Van Allen. He has specifically repudiated the hoax theory.
Can you provide the name of one credible and reputable astrophysicist who doubts the authenticity of Apollo based on the alleged impossibility of traversing the Van Allen belts? Yes or no.
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Post by who on Apr 4, 2007 20:15:56 GMT -4
Yes, Dr. James Van Allen. He has specifically repudiated the hoax theory. Can you provide the name of one credible and reputable astrophysicist who doubts the authenticity of Apollo based on the alleged impossibility of traversing the Van Allen belts? Yes or no. Maybe i should have been more clear. Apart from Allen, and no Jay i cant but that wasnt the question.
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Post by Data Cable on Apr 4, 2007 20:18:41 GMT -4
Maybe i should have been more clear. Apart from Allen That rumbling you all hear is the sound of goalposts being moved.
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Post by wingerii on Apr 4, 2007 20:22:53 GMT -4
The International Space Station goes into the Van Allen radiation belt all the time.
You can submit this post for peer review if you so wish.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Apr 4, 2007 20:23:10 GMT -4
So let's get this straight, the discover of and one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) experts on the Van Allen belts is not good enough for your purposes.
Or are you simply going to say, "not him" or "they don't count" every time someone provides a name?
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Post by Bob B. on Apr 4, 2007 20:30:40 GMT -4
...but that wasnt the question. Why do you think you hold the monopoly on asking questions?
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Post by JayUtah on Apr 4, 2007 20:41:22 GMT -4
Maybe i should have been more clear.
No, you were pretty clear. You are trying to bluster your way out of a burden of proof.
Apart from Allen...
You mean the world's leading authority on and discoverer of the phenomenon that bears his name, who has specifically and unequivocally commented on your claim, is not an acceptable witness?
If you cannot give me any good reason why such an authority should not be considered, then you deserve no further attention on this point.
...and no Jay i cant...
Then what is your basis for concluding that there is any legitimate controversy that the scientific community needs to address? If all relevant experts agree substantially among themselves, and disagree en masse with you (a layman) then upon what grounds may you demand that they jump through formal hoops to correct your uninformed suspicion?
...but that wasnt the question.
The specific question of the traversability of the Van Allen belts is not, nor needs to be, its own subject for formal research. It can be inferred reliably by knowledgeable people from the formal models and vast supporting documentation that is widely available from a variety of sources.
You have the burden of proof to show that your question is reasonable before you can demand an answer or infer anything from the lack of an answer. You may not read suspicion into the absence of something which you cannot sufficiently argue must or should exist.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Apr 4, 2007 22:21:22 GMT -4
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Post by Obviousman on Apr 5, 2007 0:58:03 GMT -4
Well, not astrophysicists but how about specialists in radiation effects on humans?
Prof. John Dicello, PhD Department of Radiation Oncology and Molecular Radiation Sciences The Johns Hopkins University
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Richard B. Setlow Member of the National Academy of Sciences Senior Biophysicist Biology Department Brookhaven National Laboratory
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Post by Obviousman on Apr 5, 2007 1:02:15 GMT -4
Oooh. I forgot the publications:
1) " The U.S National Research Council's views of the radiation hazards in space" Mutation Research (1999) 430, 169-175;
2) " The hazards of space travel" EMBO Reports (2003) 4, 1013-1016 and
3) "Radiation Hazards to Crews of Interplanetary Missions" (1996)
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Post by Obviousman on Apr 5, 2007 1:03:33 GMT -4
Now, go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Apr 5, 2007 4:46:27 GMT -4
Now, go away or I shall taunt you a second time. Have I noticed an increasing tendency for threads on this board to eventually come to quoting MP? Not that that's a bad thing, of course.
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Post by who on Apr 5, 2007 6:55:37 GMT -4
For Gods sake men all i wanted was a name. A guy at work said its impossible to go through the belts and asked for the name of an astrophysicist who said it wasn't. I told him van Allen and about the ISS and STS traveling through them. I even mailed him links to publications. None of this he will except all he says will do is a name he can check.
Sorry i bloody asked.
If you cannot give me any good reason why such an authority should not be considered, then you deserve no further attention on this point.
God your so up yourself it a wonder you can be heard. You though i didnt think you could travel through them lol.
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Post by dwight on Apr 5, 2007 7:27:46 GMT -4
Who, I think you need to familiarise yourself with the board. While it may have been a complete misunderstanding here, a little more information up front would have definitely helped your side of things a lot. Given the apparent tone of your original post, I admit I understood that to mean you didn't think one can fly through them. You'll find a nice request will more often than not find a plethora of nice responses around here
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