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Post by Jason on Feb 13, 2009 12:52:32 GMT -4
Here's another idea Jason; put some Earth rocks in a radiation oven, then use a dustification ray to make moon dirt! It's so crazy it just might work!
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Post by Jason on Feb 13, 2009 12:02:35 GMT -4
Well all you need to do is get a truckful of ordinary sand and then sift it and wash it until you have removed all the dust and you'll be set. Wouldn't that mean that any beach already has moon sand, since it gets washed by the tide all the time?
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Post by Jason on Feb 12, 2009 17:01:58 GMT -4
It's a popular opinion among conservatives that FDR's interference actually prolonged and deepened what would have otherwise been a normal 18-24 month recession. One of the biggest ways he did this was in creating an uncertain environment for business. Because he was constantly experimenting with various levels of regulation and "stimulus plans" business became risk-adverse and hunkered down unwilling to do anything while they had no idea what they would be hit with next.
The same principle was at work the tuesday when secretary Geithner's announcement of the Treasury's plan to deal with the credit crises essentially revealed that they still needed several weeks to put it together. The stock market fell 381 points (almost 5%). Bank stocks, like my employer, were particularly hard-hit because of the announcement of a new "stress test" for an already heavily-regulated industry without any actual details as to what this test would involve.
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Post by Jason on Feb 12, 2009 15:59:29 GMT -4
Oh, yes. Tax cuts always do so well to cut recession. Kennedy certainly thought so.
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Post by Jason on Feb 12, 2009 13:20:39 GMT -4
President Obama called our current situation "the most profound economic emergency since the Great Depression" and later "the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression." In the 1981-82 recession, unemployment reached 10.8% in 1982. It is 7.6% today. Inflation was 13.5% when Reagan took office in 1980. Inflation is 0.1% today. Prime interest rates were 21.5% in 1980. They were 3.25% in 2008. Reagan turned the economy around with tax cuts and cuts in domestic government spending, not with a giant increase in government spending through a "bailout" package.
Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Treasury secretary, in May of 1939 before the House Ways and Means Committee: "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people geta job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started and an enormous debt to boot!"
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Post by Jason on Feb 12, 2009 12:31:15 GMT -4
I'm looking forward to the day when I can have my own private beach covered entirely in moon sand.
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Post by Jason on Feb 12, 2009 12:30:03 GMT -4
I just think its funny. The Democratic party is just always so ready to accuse the other guy of not playing fair and demanding apologies. It's symptomatic of the victim attitude that I think prevades the party.
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Post by Jason on Feb 12, 2009 12:25:53 GMT -4
I think she just picks the texts she wants and claims they're inspired based on nothing more than her personal opinion. I was just trying to get her to admit it Tying herself up in knots over the prophesy question seems to confirm my point. Well, I am leaning towards the conclusion that DH does not have a consistent set of criteria to determine what should be considered inspired writing as well at this point, but I am willing to give her a little more lattitude in coming up with one.
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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2009 18:24:10 GMT -4
President Obama, during a public appearance in Elkhart, Indiana on Monday: "You can't get corporate jets, you can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer's dime."
Mayor Oscar Goodman, of Las Vegas (a Democrat) today: "What's a better place, as I say, than for them to come here, nnd to change their mind and to go someplace else and to cancel--and at the suggestion of the president of the United States--that's outrageous. That's outrageous, and he owes us an apology, he owes us a retraction."
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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2009 15:10:16 GMT -4
Sit down, Pete.
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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2009 12:26:08 GMT -4
Perhaps I could ask the original question again: "Lots of people claim that their writings are inspired by God, and they don't agree as to what God says. How would you know if a writing was really inspired or not?" The first time I asked you this question, the reply I got was "Prophesy." If in my semi-literate way I have misunderstood this, perhaps you could explain in detail what your reconsidered answer to the question might be. Perhaps you could also explain how you would know if an unfulfilled prophesy was accurate. My own opinion, based on your descent to insult, is that you can't think of a decent argument. If I could offer some advice, I think it's obvious at this point that DH doesn't believe that "prophesy" is the only criteria, so rather than belaboring the point and getting into an argument over who insulted who I would prefer to move on. The question of how you determine if a prophesy has been unfulfilled is one that should be addressed.
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Post by Jason on Feb 10, 2009 14:02:06 GMT -4
DH, you have indeed contradicted yourself on whether prophecy is the criteria for a work to be considered inspired. Reading all your posts, I am under the impression that your real position is similar to my own: the presence of prophecy is not a condition for a writing to be considered inspired, but if prophecy is present it must be accurate.
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Post by Jason on Feb 10, 2009 12:57:34 GMT -4
230 deaths seems like an awful lot of casualties for brush fires. I don't think we ever hear of more than two or three deaths with any wildfire in the U.S.
What's the cause of the disparity?
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Post by Jason on Feb 10, 2009 12:55:55 GMT -4
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Which generation? The generation that sees all the things concerning the events described above and in Revelation concerning the great tribulation under antichrist.I see your interpretation as generally correct. The Joseph Smith translation of this verse supports your view: "Verily, I say unto you, this generation, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled." Since you're willing to accept that Jesus was speaking of a distant future time even when he said " this generation" in the plain text, why aren't you willing to extend Joseph Smith the same courtesy? In fact, to be consistent, wouldn't you have to do so? It's quite possible that parts of D&C 84 are a commandment, rather than a prophecy: "Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation." This could be another way of saying "thou shalt build a temple in this generation." Unfortunately, the Saints were unable to build the temple at that time, as referred to in D&C 124: "49 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings. 50 And the iniquity and transgression of my holy laws and commandments I will visit upon the heads of those who hindered my work, unto the third and fourth bgeneration, so long as they repent not, and hate me, saith the Lord God. 51 Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a house unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God." The commandment to build a temple in Jackson county Missouri was thwarted both by the persecution of the saints and the lack of perserverence of the saints themselves, and was therefore deferred to a future time. Incidently, the prophecy in D&C 84 that "For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house," was fulfilled with the construction of the temple in Kirtland, Ohio in 1836.
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Post by Jason on Feb 10, 2009 12:36:57 GMT -4
There are some pretty good people who believe Solomon did write it. It does fail the tests I offered, but those aren't all the tests. So is one of your tests "good people believe it was inspired"? Yes. I'll elaborate. I'm not saying that all of the missing writings were inspired. I am, however, saying that it's a distinct possibility that many of them were inspired. The strongest indication that some of them may have been inspired is that they are referred to in writings that you accept as inspired with the idea "go here to find out more about this subject." Since there is a strong possibility that there were inspired writings that did not survive to be preserved in our current Bible, the possible test of "it must be in the Bible to be inspired" is invalid. We're still discussing how you determine if writings are inspired at the moment. Once I have a clear idea of your tests and methods I'll share mine. Which, again, is useless in determining if the scriptures are themselves inspired. How do you know the scriptures are inspired in the first place, to know if it's valid to compare new texts to them? That's important too. But if you go by the idea that anyone can prove a prophecy false then why don't you accept the words of atheists and other critics of the Bible who believe the prophecies therein are false or unfulfilled? You must have some criteria for determining who is right and who is wrong when you have conflicting opinions on whether a prophecy is fulfilled.
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