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Post by Jason on Jan 31, 2009 0:12:01 GMT -4
I generally agree with Gillian that the KJV is not the most accurate translation. I still consider it the best translation, however.
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Post by Jason on Jan 30, 2009 16:20:36 GMT -4
I love the King James translation, but I wouldn't call it infallible. Still, emphasis on removing bisexuality and killing witches? I think you might be viewing it through your own lens there.
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Post by Jason on Jan 30, 2009 12:02:46 GMT -4
So if there's a consensus it must be true, eh?
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Post by Jason on Jan 29, 2009 21:59:58 GMT -4
It's not really a serious criticism, no, but then, who can take the whole idea of Global Warming seriously anyway?
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Post by Jason on Jan 29, 2009 19:03:27 GMT -4
Candidate Obama last May: "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times . . . and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK." A New York Times story today gives this little tidbit about a photo of President Obama sitting in the Oval Office without a suit jacket on: "Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat." He's from Hawaii, O.K.?" said Mr. Obama's senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. "He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there." Of course, the Times ignored the inconsistancy and spun the whole thing as "only the first of many signs that a more informal culture is growing up in the White House under new management. Mr. Obama promised to bring change to Washington and he has--not just in substance, but in presidential style." Goodbye old stick-in-the-mud, hello hip hypocrite!
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Post by Jason on Jan 29, 2009 13:09:55 GMT -4
My attitude is that prayer is what you do after you have done everything you can to resolve a situation yourself.
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Post by Jason on Jan 29, 2009 12:22:17 GMT -4
I can't argue the points of the Bible, or any other religion's scripture. I mean no offense, but THESE ARE THE WORK OF MEN, NOT A SUPREME BEING! How do you know? No doubt men wrote the actual texts, but what inspired the men to write these things? The inspired parts. To my mind, religion is revealed truths from God given to the earliest human family and corrupted or forgotten through time and the desire of man to go his own way. Occasionally God reveals more light and truth when it is sincerely asked for and some significant portion of the human family is ready again to obey it, and then He allows it to be forgotten and fade again as the new generations refuse the wisdom of their fathers. This process continued througout human history until it finally was revealed again to be no more removed until the end of this world, when the current step in God's plan will be finished and His creation will move on to the next step, and our world will become completely different from the one we have known. All the old rules will change, and what has gone before will be seen as merely the prelude to the real story, though a very important prelude.
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Post by Jason on Jan 29, 2009 12:02:37 GMT -4
I have no response to RAF's last post that is not as insulting as it was to me. Rather than risk being banned I will simply ignore RAF's posts from now on.
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Post by Jason on Jan 29, 2009 0:46:39 GMT -4
That's just it though - the centerpiece of the Christian religion is a torture and death that was horrible but necessary.
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Post by Jason on Jan 28, 2009 19:47:45 GMT -4
So, this thread goes from bidding farewell to Bush, to discussing torture, to an examination of Jason's faith? Am I missing something here? Lots of posts by someone who seems to have a real beef against religion in general and doesn't seem to like me very much.
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Post by Jason on Jan 28, 2009 19:45:52 GMT -4
I consider you more of a Republican than a Christian, Jason. I'm not really sure how to take that, as a compliment or an insult.
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Post by Jason on Jan 28, 2009 16:35:46 GMT -4
Let me explain a bit. I don't think that I have, actually, taken any position outside of some of the religion threads in the beyond belief section that was "indefensible apart from 'Godsaysso'." Certainly I have made every effort to provide my secular reasons for believing as I do on this and in other threads. Yes, I do have strictly secular reasons for believing many if not most of the things I believe. I may appear to be ultra-religious on this forum because I have discussed religion at length in various threads (obviously I find the subject interesting), but I don't really sit and think about what Jesus would do every waking moment of my life, people. I didn't even consider this issue on torture from a religious standpoint until I began to be attacked as being inconsistent - my viewpoint up until then had been strictly secular. After consideration, I think my secular viewpoint is reasonably in line with my religious ideas, so I see no need to change it because of them. I gave some of my reasoning for that, but I really don't feel its particularly relevent.
I have a sneaking suspicion that, because I have been so vocal about my religion, many others read religion into my arguments whether it's really there or not. I suspect that perfectly sound arguments are rejected simply because I, someone who is known to be religious, am the one who made them, and therefore there must be some irrationality at their base. This effect may be compounded by the fact that my particular religion is quite distinct from what might be called "mainstream" Protestantism, and is generally little understood by those not familiar with it.
If what I say is being dismissed because I'm the one who said it then I hope my calling awareness to the fact can help put an end to the practice.
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Post by Jason on Jan 28, 2009 11:54:31 GMT -4
Jason, OTOH has on occasion taken up positions indefensible apart from "Godsaysso". When he takes a position that appears to go against, if not god's apparently infinitely malleable word, then at least his PR, it's not too much of a surprise when that's pointed out... Like?
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Post by Jason on Jan 27, 2009 19:48:41 GMT -4
It doesn't precisely say, true, but it's clear Christ had already done some great thing for her which explains why she loved Him. I don't think you can draw that conclusion. It seems entirely possible to me that they had never met face to face and he had never done anything for her in the flesh, yet she still loved him because of what she had heard about him and hoped for forgiveness.
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Post by Jason on Jan 27, 2009 19:42:08 GMT -4
I'm upset that the press is so obviously biased and still somehow gets away with it.
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