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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Sept 28, 2007 11:14:59 GMT -4
Oh man, those poor people on the Education Forum. They're completely letting him get away with shifting the discussion from "Can dirt on a lens cause flare?" to "Who of us has a preconceived opinion?". That shouldn't be happening! That is one of the reasons why I won't join. Those two "truth seekers" change the subject and run away from real debate the moment facts are used. I disagree with Evan Burton using the phrase "little white lies" in his signature to describe Jack White's activities (even though it is true) as this could be considered flame baiting, but how Duane and Jack are not now be serving a suspension (or at least being officially warned) for calling a moderator "a jerk" or for calling Craig Lamson "insane" (and, in Jacks case, all those who understand and believe in Apollo) "insane" I do not understand. Duane drags people down to his level. I suspect that at times Evan and Craig look at what they have posted and don't exactly feel proud of it. That is a shame because I have learned a great deal from both of them (and from David Greer who has also being the victim of a straydog smear campaign). I sympathise, he did the same to me on the U-M board. Had it not been for some friendly advice from a moderator I may will have lost my status as a Forum Leader, instead of which I was promoted to moderator.I understand why people respond to Duane in the way they do, when he gets away with trolling where is the incentive not to copy him. This is not a criticism of Evan or Craig but of the fact that trolling continues unabated. I will not debate with Duane again because I can not guarantee that I will not stoop to his level. He may revel in being an insulting troll, but I have higher standards than that. If I was to become !% of the troll that Duane is I would feel ashamed of myself. I will continue to (mostly) lurk here and at BAUT. I will continue to debate with Turbonium on U-M (in a thread that is heated but generally troll free). I will also continue to defend Turbonium from the occasional personal attacks he suffers. He is currently in a minority of one and is sometimes the victim of hit and run trolling. Whilst I will argue with him until the end of time I will continue to defend his right to hold and express what ever beliefs he wants to. And there is the sad irony. In attacking and insulting anyone with a different view Jack and Duane attempt to destroy the very principle of free speech which no doubt they would claim to hold dear. In claiming that anyone that does not hold the same views as them is clearly insane they are practising the very totalitarian tactics that the claim "the Government" are practising. They are the very thing that they claim to hate.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Sept 27, 2007 15:59:19 GMT -4
That Duane Daman really doesn't seem to get it. Craig Lamson showed that dust on a lens can cause lens flare. There's just nothing Duane Daman can do about that. So, he tries to avoid the point. Welcome to Duane's world.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Sept 27, 2007 13:25:57 GMT -4
He also brings up the fact that it was a recreation in a studio with a spotlight. (Hint: completely missing the point of dust on a camera giving artefacts REGARDLESS of light source and location.) If he follows his usual line of "logic" he will claim that since the flare seen in the Apollo pictures was replicated in a studio using a spotlight then the original MUST have been created in a studio using a spotlight. Like Jack White he has an absolute spotlight fixation.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Sept 26, 2007 9:35:20 GMT -4
If they are willing to listen, learn and debate in a polite manner then I would have though that the more the merrier.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Sept 30, 2007 22:06:46 GMT -4
I notice Mr Damon has cut and pasted an article claiming that the NASA APOD image of 21st June 2007 is proof of the Apollo Hoax. This same article was used in the same clueless manner on U-M back in July: www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=89947&view=findpost&p=1765387. After much arguing I contacted the astrophotographer who made that composite image, Jerry Lodriguss. I asked him to comment on the HB claims and what he thought of the use of his image in this way. He kindly replied and gave me permission to publish that reply. (I had to censor some of his reply as it would have broken the U-M rules on bad language, he really has a low opinion of HBs). If any of those who post on the Education Forum wish to link to or copy Mr Lodriguss' reply please feel free. It can be found here: www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=89947&view=findpost&p=1767792
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Sept 29, 2007 7:23:02 GMT -4
Mmm... is Duane "Straydog" Daman the same Straydog as the author of this suicide note? I would love to find out if Straydog himself had anything to do with it. I hope he'll respond to this when he reads it - I've been following the Education Forum for quite a bit the last couple of days. Yes it is. I suspect he did write that as he and elsewhere_man where in contact. He made numerous similar claims that he was leaving on U-M but always returned. He always blamed it on the hateful trolling of Apollo defenders. He was actually the founder of that site along with elsewhere_man (aka Grieg Dempsey, spazmo, inverse, Kilter, orumdude, poundland and a host of other names banned at least twice here, twice at BAUT and several times at U-M). They had a falling out. Straydog started deleting posts that proved he was wrong, claiming that they were abusive (rather a funny accusation to make on that site when you see the abuse that was thrown in the direction of anyone that didn't tow the HB line). As a result elsewhere_man remove Straydog's administrator status. Straydog, in a fine example of his mature attitude, responded by deleting evey post he had ever made (which at that time was the majority of the site content). Straydog effectively managed to get himself banned from his own site. groups.msn.com/Moonhoax/humor.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=999&all_topics=1Straydog and elsewhere_man (kilter as was) linked up whilst trolling U-M (to be fair Straydog's trolling was not as bad as kilters or as bad as that he shows now, rather it was temper tantrums when anyone responded to him using such underhand tactics as facts and logic).
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Sept 26, 2007 18:12:11 GMT -4
I got the impression that he was bashing the U-M mods at Education Forum, which is apparently against the U-M rules. If I'm wrong, maybe Waspie can set me straight. I can't talk specifics I'm afraid. U-M has a policy of generally keeping disciplinary matters between the administrator/moderators and the punished member. When I become a moderator I agreed to abide by those rules. It is not giving away anything by saying that straydog had a long list of warnings and suspensions before his banning (a full banning can only be carried out by the administrator, so despite his attacks against me it was not and could not have been my decision). I don't think I am giving away any secrets by saying that straydog WAS NOT banned for being too close to the truth. Where Apollo is concerned straydog and the truth have not shared even a passing relationship. In many ways I was disappointed by the loss of straydog to the U-M site. I do not think there is a debunker alive that can make the HB position look as ridiculous as straydog does.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Sept 26, 2007 9:26:18 GMT -4
Having re-read my post above, I feel that I must point out that my criticism of the moderating of the Political Conspiracies section of the Education Forum should in no way be seen as a criticism of Evan's moderating.
I know from experience how difficult it is to be arguing with someone on one hand whilst trying to moderate on the other. This is especially difficult with CT's who are paranoid and subject to using double standards to begin with. Hence they will throw insults in all directions whilst complaining that the moderators are doing nothing to protect them from trolls (their definition of a troll being anyone that uses such insults as facts and logic in order to disagree with there point of view).
Unless Evan receives more support from his fellow moderators and (more importantly) the site administrators, he is in an impossible position. When it comes to taking action against Damon's nastier posts Evan is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
I was lucky on the Unexplained-Mysteries forum, I had the support of the other moderators and of the site administrator (who is a very fair minded individual and gives far more second chances than many would).
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Sept 26, 2007 8:34:22 GMT -4
Isn't that Duane guy the one known as "Straydog" Yes, that's him. I have served my time debating with (and moderating) Duane "straydog" Damon. I've had my fill of his paranoia, lies and unfounded accusations (such as this one: educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=8987&view=findpost&p=88360). I have no desire to encounter him again. If I want to get the same effect I will have no need to join the Education Forum, I will simply bang my head repeatedly against the nearest brick wall. Damon seems to serve no useful purpose there other than to insult those who understand more than him (i.e. everyone except Jack White) and to profess his undying love and devotion to his twin gods, Percy and White. Until the moderators at the Education Forum take action against the kind of trolling, insulting and general name calling that Duane is constantly allowed to get away with, then it is the sort of education I can do with out.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Oct 5, 2007 21:06:40 GMT -4
Exposure times? Film speed? Aperture settings? The camera used was a Canon PowerShot S50. The exposure times were:top image, 15 seconds bottom image 0.5 seconds. Aperture setting f2,8. ISO setting was 400. Focal length, 105mm.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Oct 5, 2007 13:25:15 GMT -4
Easy experiment: Take a camera and go outside at night. Find a lit street light and photograph it. Then look at the picture and see how many stars you can count in the sky behind the street light. Your average self-adjusting camera will adjust the exposure levels for the street light and you won't see any stars in the picture. I did a similar experiment some time ago, except I used an illuminated bedroom window (my own to minimise the risk of arrest). I took two images, one to show stars (and hence over exposing the window) and one correctly exposing the window so that detail could be seen in the curtain (and hence showing no stars). Here are the results: The beauty of this is that virtually anyone can replicate experiments such as this. What I find amazing is the refusal of so many HBs to do so.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Jul 31, 2007 1:07:05 GMT -4
I'm afraid that I have to take responsibility for the idea of NASA using vacuum chambers to fake Lunar footage creeping into Duane "straydog" Damon's little mind. Just over a year ago he was claiming that the famous footage of the Apollo 15 hammer and feather was faked and using the footage Percy's footage as proof. There were pages and pages of discussion during which straydog showed he had not even the most basic grasp of simple science (according to him air-resistance doesn't exist). As straydog came up with more and more elaborate nonsense to explain how the feather and hammer experiment could have been faked in an atmosphere I asked a simple question, "why would NASA go to all that trouble when they could simply have filmed it in a vacuum chamber?" Doing one of those 180 degree about turns that only a conspiracy theorist can manage he suddenly declared that the fact that NASA had vacuum chambers was proof that the moon landings were faked. He didn't seem to grasp that if the experiment was filmed in a vacuum (whether on the moon or not)that Percy's film was a total nonsense because he justified Percy with this: straydog's about turn can be seen here: www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=72159&view=findpost&p=1283971 on the Unexplained-Mysteries site. The whole of his argument starts several pages earlier, although I warn you that it may be an idea to take some headache tablets first. I also notice that Duane is saying this on the Education Forum about posters from this site: source: educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=10575&view=findpost&p=112056Duane, you are a hypocrite. You gave up any right to make such an objection back in January when you posted this: source: educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=9097&view=findpost&p=89419Neither I nor MID are members of the Education Forum.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Jul 9, 2007 20:36:02 GMT -4
[Straydog says they used 1/6th g simulation chambers - I can't get him to explain exaclty what he means by this. You've had enough dealings with Straydog to know that you never will.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Jun 28, 2007 21:35:31 GMT -4
If it happens, that should hopefully cut down on the 'searing radiation hell' arguments for a while. This hugely optimistic gravely statement underestimates the ability of conspiracy theorists in general and hoax believers in particular to generate new layers of protective nonsense in order to cocoon their world view from uncomfortable intrusion of reality. When and if passenger flights around the moon occur I predict that we will hear some, or all, of the following arguments: - The flights are fake, the Russians are in on the hoax.
- It is forty years since Apollo, the Russians have obviously developed some sort of secret anti-radiation device in the intervening years.
- $100 million!!!!! You can only get that sort of money if you are in league with the US governement / NWO / Masons / Boy Scout Movement (delete where applicable) so of course you are going to lie about going to the Moon
. and, all though it isn't a 'searing radiation hell' argument, we will, of course, hear: - Ah but they didn't land did they? That proves beyond all doubt that the Lunar Module couldn't land.
I will go a step further in my predictions. There will be HBs that will use all of the above arguments despite the fact that some of them are contradictory... so business as usual.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Jun 18, 2007 21:49:48 GMT -4
Yeah that's Duane Daman. He's Aulis' newest Apollo investigator. This is obviously some new meaning of the word investigator I wasn't previously aware of. If cutting and pasting other people's work makes you an investigator then I think I will describe myself as a "NASA Principle Investigator" on my C.V.
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