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Post by photobuster919 on Feb 18, 2011 15:28:43 GMT -4
Maybe Jarrah realises he's lost the fight with Jay.
I've kind of noticed he's gotten over his obsession with Windley. He's now all about Plait and Astrobrant.
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Post by photobuster919 on Feb 12, 2011 9:46:12 GMT -4
Firstly I know that the Fox special "Conspiracy Theories - Did We Land on the Moon" misquoted O' Leary's interview making it seem as if he doubted the Apollo missions.
But does the true footage still exist anywhere?
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 21, 2011 17:34:29 GMT -4
Well, the media doesn't fall for anything. The media is controlled by the government. One of kaysing's favourite claims, but if the media is controlled by the government, what is he using to spread his message if not... the media?! If it is well documented then he should have no trouble providing the documentation. A large number of kaysing's claims rely on his saying things are well-documented, or on anecdotes about un-named experts he or a friend of his have spoken to. Don't waste time trying to find out what the real story is. he had decades to substantiate his claims and never did. I actually don't spend much time on it. It just gets me now and again and is something I'm curious about. Even to know what would be the source of such a claim. Its probably the Dutch Papers that exposed some other hoax and some weirdo told Kaysing it had to do with Apollo, when it was something completely different. It might be something like that, otherwise it could have been just a sloppy statement.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 21, 2011 15:56:06 GMT -4
In the Nardwuar interview Kaysing said; "Well, the media doesn't fall for anything. The media is controlled by the government. The Dutch papers on July 21 [1969] said that the moon landing was a hoax, was a fake, and I have been unable to find any of those Dutch papers, although it's well documented that they did publish information, with proof, that the U.S. was spoofing everybody" I have one link that debunks this claim but I would love to see where this hoax story is documented; www3.telus.net/summa/moonshot/random.htmI think perhaps it was a misconception. Personally I believe the dutch papers didn't question the moon landings but I would love to hear where this information came from.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 21, 2011 15:37:49 GMT -4
Maybe we should stop talking about Jarrah's maths skills for now because this topic is about his encounter with Buzz.
What I'm actually curious about is what shall be Jarrah's comments on what Buzz explained when he said "I'm sure the US government would not present to world leaders, a piece of petrified wood". BA actually had some interesting words to say here but Jarrah just talked about the press release that came out the next day.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 21, 2011 14:22:09 GMT -4
Actually, most of the "big names" are. I agree with either not American or a American with a severe distrust in your guys government. That has been a argument I have faced several times is that I'm Canadian so STFU cause I couldn't possibly know the corruption of the federal system. My handles the same as well most places so it's funny cause first I'm insulted on being from Texas or Arkansas and sleep with my cousin to a idiot hosed, Eh! I don't hate the Americans too, I actually respect them for how they came through and defeated the Russians in the end. This is the video, which made me really start to think along the lines of psychology behind conspiracies. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDBWb6rEodM&feature=relatedAlso to BertL thanks for wishing me luck. I hope that you find your way out of this yourself.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 7, 2011 15:40:19 GMT -4
Hi, I'm new to this so apologies if I posted in the wrong forum.
I've been going through a confusing period at the moment.
I am interested in the moon landing conspiracy and I enjoy debating it with people, so thats why I joined this site.
I want to study psychology in college, so history is not really he subject area I plan to go down in. Thing is, I'm spending SO much time researching the moon controversy.
I've watched many youtube videos both for AND against the hoax theory and I've seen a few documentaries on the moon landing in general.
I cannot figure out whats going on right now, I believe the moon landings happened but I still can't understand why I'm interested in the whole conspiracy.
But there has to be some other reason because no one else in my family cares about this conspiracy theory. Would anyone have anything to say on what it might be for me?
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 7, 2011 6:45:51 GMT -4
Bill Kaysing actually was a really intelligent man. But he may have claimed that the moon landings were faked because he wanted to start a movement of people that question the US government rather than get caught up in the "rat race". Kaysing admitted in an interview that he wrote his book to get back at the government for actions during the Vietnam War. It's questionable whether Kaysing actually believed in the hoax or not. I'm not exactly sure whether the John Grant incident really proves Kaysing didn't believe his own claims. What Nardwuar was asking Kaysing was why didn't he spill the beans while he was still working at Rocketdyne. That meant confessing what he believed was going on at the time, which was NASA simulating flights to the moon and purpetrating them to be the real thing. When he met Grant, Kaysing realised he had all he could take of the US government so it was then that he admitted what he thought was going on. Don't get me wrong I do believe the moon landings happened, I'm just not a supporter of the claim that Kaysing believed them too. If he did he wouldn't have spent the last 31 years of his life trying to prove the landings were hoaxed, he wouldn't have wanted to suffer all that humiliation. Anyone remember the Jim Lovell incident? Kaysing was wrong about his claims, but not everyone knows the truth about everything anyway.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 6, 2011 19:19:30 GMT -4
I think that eventually Jarrah will have to join this forum.
I actually wouldn't mind, just so we will finally have a chance to debate with him properly.
Its always a mystery to me that the one man who is addicted to the moon conspiracy more than anyone else, just uses this site to mine for quotes.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 6, 2011 19:11:59 GMT -4
Now what were we talking about? How about those soccer players! Ha ha :-) Well, gentlemen/-women - to be exact: I didn't care so much about the IQ-thing in itself, although Ralph Rene was a former member of Mensa (and he got far out). I am wondering if Jarrah White believes what he claims to believe. He seems to have studied a lot and seems to know a lot of detailed facts, although his knowledge and understanding of basic science is poor. He can't be doing much else than studying and making Youtube videos. What do you think? Does he believe what he claims to believe, or has he reached a point, where there's no way back, so he is sort of trapped in his own web - or Kaysing's maybe? I'm curious about what kind of personality he might be psychologically speaking. I think there is always that possibility that deep down Jarrah believes men have landed on the moon. He might be just doing this to put an end to any forms of "character assasination" as he calls what Windley and Plait have done to Kaysing and others over the years, while presenting their hoax beliefs. I think Jarrah could have presented himself only as the defender of all the hoax proponents. Either way people would just assume he doubts Apollo, so there's really no two ways to go about it. Bill Kaysing actually was a really intelligent man. But he may have claimed that the moon landings were faked because he wanted to start a movement of people that question the US government rather than get caught up in the "rat race".
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 6, 2011 18:50:26 GMT -4
I don't see why some people even bother asking Brian O' Leary about the moon landings anymore.
When you look at his interview on the Fox special it becomes evident that it was very easy for the producers to take him out of context and make it sound like he was doubting the moon landings.
I feel it is possible O' Leary may have said those exact words in the interview but it was his expression that was altered in the process.
It was probably easy to take those quotes and place them at the point where O' Leary was talking about something else he had serious doubts over.
But what difference does it make? Of course he would say he can't be "100%" sure that man has landed on the moon. No one can be except for the astronauts themselves but the moon hoaxers are a minority so its easy to see how the evidence is overwhelming.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jan 6, 2011 18:44:35 GMT -4
Plait totally bullied Jarrah at the amazing meeting. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ1LUmRWOF0 I came across this video this morning. Appears to be a summary of the Moonfaker Jarrah did while he was in Las Vegas last summer. The one thing Jarrah forgot to mention here was that Plait knew he would be intimidated. This was clearly childplay between the two.
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