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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 14, 2011 3:50:36 GMT -4
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 14, 2011 3:45:53 GMT -4
Terrance Raymond ? what would we gain to debate the evidence? If this was a conspiracy, wouldn't the conspirators have covered their tracks as much as possible? To get away with this crime they would have to control the evidence. maybe find a pristine bullet on a stretcher or invent a magic bullet theory to account for multiple gun wounds, or find forensic doctors that testify that the head jerks backward when shot from the rear, murder the witnesses and make sure that the patsy is portrayed as a madman and doesn't live to be found out. Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives 3.The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. who had the motive? who gained from the action? who got the money? who could cover it up? not Oswald Think on this, what a coincidence it was for Oswald to move to Dallas just in time to get a job at the school book depository that happens to over look the very street where JFK's caravan had to slow down to maneuver, which then helped to assure a kill shot. And here is Oswald a madman with a fairly unreliable rifle with no motive to kill JFK other then he was a madman. So he kills the president and doesn't even want to take credit for it? interesting quote from Executive Action - 1973 "in Europe heads of state always die at the hands of conspirators, our presidents are killed by madmen. The pattern is remarkably consistent" it is seems true enough interesting article www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htmHunt's Deathbed Confession Reveals JFK Killers Yes Terrance Raymond.. The source behind the film you endorce. That is a assumed name because he is too paranoid to confess his real name. Why Oswald did what he did we will never know. Frankly I couldn't care, but the facts and research point to him and only him being the shooter. Now whether Castro, or the CIA , or whoever brainwashed him, set him up or whatever you believe the fact still remaining is this. Oswald shot Kennedy. What do we have regardless of who or what motivated Oswald to do this? A dead president long before his time. What will we always have regarding this? A dead president long before his time. You can speculate about who or what if anything motivated him to do so, but the title and topic of this thread is Oswald being the sole assassin of Kennedy. Not only is this the obvious answer then, but using evolved techniques of investigation it is the proven outcome and answer to the question" Who shot JFK?".
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 14, 2011 0:07:22 GMT -4
redneckr0nin i don't know where you got the impression that Executive Action or EVIDENCE OF REVISION was "my" movies. i was just asking if in your investigations of JFK assassination did you include this film or this documentary? and or if the death bed confession of e howard hunt was included in your evaluation of evidence. have i voiced any opinion as to what i think about the assassination of JFK? You seem to have already decided to assume what my opinion is concerning the assassination of JFK, if your that quick to assume what reality is maybe research is not for you. i am wondering how you can possibly have an opinion on materials you apparently have not actually evaluated? I guess you asked for it right. Simply put because of the direction of the "documentry" being made and further more that a fictional movie being brought as evidence to a scientific debate is borderline insane. Not for the fact that you actually did that but you obviously don't have a clue to how badly that ruins your credibility with anyone of remote intelligence or that possesses problem solving skills. I see you removed the link from your signature but that was another factor in how I came to outrageous opinion you had a invested interest in that movie being viewed. Further more the content within that movie just by the overview I can tell is about misdirection. You see this is not my virginal experience with a conspiracy theory. In fact I'm quite broken in to the A typical arguments brought to the table. I am also marginally surprised you never added Oliver Stones JFK in your list of arguments. Because honestly that would have bore more weight than some 1970 b list movie and some d-list documentry that I've never heard of that was also made more of a point to include MKUltra and other non realitive subjects to the table. I have read the declassified reports on MkUltra... Have you? I have read the Warren Commision reports.. Have you? I have read the investigative Rockefeller reports... Have you? I have read the HSCA reports for all the good they did.. Have you? Although the following is included in your documentry but what they have to do with JFK are as follows. I studied Rfk assassination and truly if their was a plot to kill a Kennedy this would be the one to die first. He pissed off Johnson, Hoover, organized crime bosses, was far more pro active in civil rights and the movement of, was not as loved as his brother, did not have a dark underside that those who may want to control a Kennedy they could blackmail John not Bobby. Black ops were at the discretion of the president not some independent fly by night mercenaries. Martin Luther King was not personally tied with JFK like he was with Bobby. Bobby posed the real threat of bringing civil rights to the modern time. The Mafia with all the flipped informants and tapped hang outs, clubs, houses and other places of interest regarding the Italian orginized crime syndicate not ONCE has the JFK death been brought up. And now the nail in the coffin... After your documentry was made a forensic analysis of film Zapruder shot was made and using forensic animation as well as sound recordings and detailed accounts were factored in. This is EXACTLY what a investigation or trial against a potential defendant would involve. Not only does it nail Oswald to the wall it makes a case beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was guilty and solely as such in the act of murdering the president. This investigation was called JFK: beyond conspiracy and it was aired and endorsed by ABC a much more reputable journalistic source than a paranoid man that is broke and will only go by a assumed name of "Terrance Raymond". That to me screams paranoid and in a financial crisis gives him motive to make more of something than it is. He supposedly has connections to Nixon and Watergate and MkUltra which would make him being the Nixon supporter a advocate to Kennedy. His involvement in Watergate means his morals and standards are obviously flawed. As Watergate is still on my and many others mind the largest source of embarrassment to the Us federal government in its history. If Nixon didn't resign he would be impeached.. That is almost certain. Furthermore to try and blame the mind control techniques of MkUltra on this is laughable. For if you investigated the actual success of the mind control or planted subliminal thoughts within that study you would know they were at the very most minimal at best. Since the main chemicals thought to alter a mans conscious and sub-conscious thoughts and to implant ideals were sodium pentathol and LSD. The former being a horrific motivator to do anything but ramble the latter nothing but energy to chase the butterflies or taste the music of which I have first hand knowledge wouldn't make you do anything you didn't want to, in fact most things you did want to you did very poorly. So that being in the largest Wal Nut shell I can find to squeeze all the points and my credentials in when dealing with this conspiracy. Bottom line people don't want to believe a man of overwhelming influence and progressive thinking such as JFK could be killed solely by a man of such inconsequence and realitive inadequacy such as Oswald. But guess what he did and was killed by and the most modern techniques of forensic investigation on the sources and information we have prove it to have happened no other way but. Or you can put your faith in a assumed name that lives in hiding and was in financial crisis at the moment of production and this relative and figurative nobody... That happens to cash in on his credentials but only they don't actually apply to the debate at hand. Sound familiar anyone??.... Like a certain journalistic moon hoax believer that was not even working for NASA at the time of the Apollo missions? You see I don't expect you to know who I'm talking about but I'm sure the majority of the members here will know who it is exactly.
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 13, 2011 14:00:33 GMT -4
I guess I should apologize and retort my previous statement.
I will not buy or highly doubt watch your movie, I also highly doubt anyone here will do either as well.
Ps- my apologies to the forum I did not mean to speak on behalf of anyone.
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 13, 2011 13:28:28 GMT -4
In the 1973 movie Executive Action, was the evidence presented concerning Oswald fabricated or was it presented fairly and factual? I am curious to know if there was anything in the documentary EVIDENCE OF REVISION that you found of value? Did you watch all of the 5 disks? I'm not going to buy your movie, nor is anyone here.
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 13, 2011 9:10:32 GMT -4
Oh my dear god. That's your proof is a shockumentry called Evidence of Revison? I'm starting to strongly think you have a invested interest in seeing this film sell.
First off Black Ops, The Vietnam war, MKultra, Lincoln, the Roman empire have not a thing to do with the actual assassination of JFK. That is typical conspiracy theory misdirection where a film goes on and on about A does B throughout history do that must mean A always does B. Sorry to burst your bubble but human behavior even in the same subject is not pre-destined. You, I and every member here has a choice to do what we will or how we react to a situation. It's the same as saying every child that is sexually and physically abused will become a sociopath and in that regard become a serial killer. Well plenty of people that had been abused as a child grew up to be fairly empathetic people, even sociopathic behavior has appeared in people that had wonderful upbringings( see Jeffery Dalhmer). As well a five DVD , 8 hour long film that I'm sure will light my gluteus Maximus on fire still doesn't devalue that study that I mentioned above. That 30 different professionals and experts in their respective fields all with a pre-conceived notion that there was more to it than publicly realeased, all agreed... It was impossible for anyone but Oswald to do the shooting. Now if it comes down to some unknown that made a film that says right on the introduction it takes you back to the Roman Empire when it should be dealing with anything in 20th century.... Or 30 experts with I'm imagining a staggering amount of practical hours each in their respective fields..... Well I'm going to have to go with the experts on this one.
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 9, 2011 5:55:44 GMT -4
Is this message board only for those that believe in the Apollo hoax or is anyone welcome? I hope not cause I don't believe in the Apollo hoax that is for sure! ;D I imagine it is for everyone but ost would find it rather boring I think since it is only mostly about the Apollo missions with it slightly being about other conspiracies and a touch of off topic
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 5, 2011 21:29:09 GMT -4
Had me worried for a sec too.
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 5, 2011 6:29:58 GMT -4
There was a independent study done in 1997 using 30 different individual experts in their respective fields. It ranged from ballistics, trajectory animation experts, sound, weapons, criminal investigators among others. EVERY single one of them went into that study believing there was something to find and believed that their was a coverup or conspiracy at play. When they collectively studied and finished their testing not only did they concur that Oswald was the only shooter..it would be impossible for any other solution to have existed.
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 3, 2011 10:35:39 GMT -4
Hi Im from Colombia, I studied near Kennedy Space Center for 6 years, Im a fan of the Space program and the Apollo Missions. ;D Good to have you aboard
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 2, 2011 19:55:36 GMT -4
What would they say about the real Apollo capsule which is on display in the science museum in Los Angeles? (Yes, I got a picture!) Please post a picture of that.. I would very much like to see it!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 2, 2011 19:51:25 GMT -4
I totally agree with my head hurting after reading that ramble... The part about they believe im one of them until I reveal im not mad me actually lol though.
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Post by redneckr0nin on Sept 8, 2011 7:48:52 GMT -4
Seen this as well the other day..beautiful images! Attachments:
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Post by redneckr0nin on Sept 8, 2011 7:45:31 GMT -4
RnR, can I ask you ... In normal day to day life (ie not when following links at Youtube or conspiracy forums), do you encounter any of these CTists or their claims? If the answer is no, then one would have to draw the conclusion that you are seeking them out. And that by doing so, you are introducing a strong bias in your perception. It only takes a few (or even one) crazy folk with access to the Internet to create the perception that something is widely believed. Don't get me wrong - there's nothing wrong with seeking it out and fighting for the truth (while I'm not into 911 all that deeply, I still pop my head up occasionally when I see the worst of the drivel), but there's no point getting all uptight about it. Just relax, and try have fun! (That may sound inappropriate, but I think you know what I mean..) Accept that there will always be paranoid, gov-hating weirdos out there (sometimes with good reason!), that you will never change their minds, and simply aim your rebuttals at the odd fence sitter that may pass by. BTW, I find staying cool and calm helps me to argue, without descending to the CTists tactics of ad hom, etc. Well, mostly... Oh I am relaxed and I do have fun, I have more fun in life than most people I know I think. I have spent the majority of this summer working my golf game(handicap of 6 trying for 4), professional photography, and other hobbies as well as studies that are for my own pleasure. To answer your question ..Yes....Yes I do run into these people on almost a daily basis and definite daily basis if you include other forums( non conspiracy based) that have a section for general topics or a geo-political section for debate. I do believe you are right as well in part...I do search them out in a sense. The state of education within our society is bleak at best....the main reason is it takes focus off the real issues that should be worked on( Americas foreign policy and commitment to mingling within the affairs of others). I am Canadian but I love the United States and would very much like to see it pull out of the rut it seems to be in. I also can't stand the pubic and socially popular view of slandering and accusations of the States being a evil and lying country. It seems that people forget what that country has done for the world the last 70+ years. Mostly it is out of respect for two dear family friends that lost their lives that day. It is out of respect for their families and other loved ones that they don't have to deal with this garbage on a almost weekly basis ten years after the fact. It is in regards to putting up a resistance to those that would profit and look to gain notoriety through this nonsense I attempt! The acceptance of ignorance in our society is a dangerous action indeed IMHO. It devalues humanity and our progression/evolution, it is insulting and degrading, it is something...frankly...I won't sit idle and let go without my opinion being stated! Do I think I will change the CT opinions or thoughts?.....probably not....however may I effect the anonymous viewer or reader to maybe research these events for themselves and therefore come to a conclusion that is pretty much certain if science and physics are used?......you bet! I know I have and I know those in turn may not do the same as I but I know they won't sit idle either and listen to the verbal diarrhea that is these theories!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Sept 3, 2011 4:35:58 GMT -4
My third letter to Richard Gage who will be on Berkeley Radio on the 11th
To Mr. Gage, hope you are well.
This is the third time I've contacted you now, so perhaps this will elicit a response.
I’ve noticed you intend to shamelessly exploit the 10th anniversary of 9/11 in order to promote your DVD. Before you do that, however, I feel there are several things you must do in order to maintain any credibility:
(1) Stop hiding the Chris Mohr debate from the public, produce it into a DVD using some of the money you continuously beg the public for, and provide a link on your website. (2) Address the many flaws in your own work. One notable example, and something you promised, being the lack of heat in the dust that is necessitated by your theory. (3) Desist using the disingenuous technique of focussing on one point and claiming victory. This is not conducive to credible scientific debate – it’s more like the infantile use of factoids that plague internet discourse. (4) Stop trying to make money from your DVDs, using emotional blackmail, whilst the above flaws exist in your work – flaws you know very well to exist.
The 10th anniversary should be a moment of catharsis for the American public and world as a whole. It is not a time for shysters to con people, who are not given to independent research, and make money. If you have any decency in you at all, you will, at the very least, keep your theorising well away from the 10th anniversary.
Regards,
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