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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 25, 2007 17:28:14 GMT -4
Well apart from one pilot, whom is apparently rather gungho according to his colleuges, the chopper pilots in the air all say that it was far to dangerous to have attempted to get near the buildings anyway. There were a number of critizisms about the choppers not attempting to resuce people in windows and other parts of the structures, to which their response was overwhelmingly that with the heat and smoke from the fires it was more likely to cause another crash. The sole discenter claimed that he could have landed on the far corner but the other pilots pointed out that even this would have been a risky maneouver.
Regardless of that however, are you suggesting that this "operation" was planned and put into effect 8 years prior to it happening?
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Post by gillianren on Feb 25, 2007 17:28:26 GMT -4
But you've yet to have shown evidence that lives could have been saved. You've said they could, but what evidence do you have? Do you know the logistics of helicopter rescue from a burning building? Because I don't. I do know, however, that fires cause all sorts of interesting shifts in how air behaves that would have to be compensated for.
And that wasn't actually the point anyway. You said they wouldn't worry about being the ones who survived; I said they would indeed. I didn't say I'd rather be dead than alive, and you might be surprised by my answer anyway.
Edit: Dang it, PW, you posted while I was posting!
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Post by 911: Inside Job on Feb 26, 2007 22:24:52 GMT -4
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Post by lenbrazil on Feb 27, 2007 6:40:03 GMT -4
No they had a full contract to handle 100% of the building's security and also Dulles Airport. You can look it up in a google search if you don't believe me.. IJ911 like a typical CT misquotes his source: The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``COMPLETION contract" to handle SOME of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down." www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htmCompletion that is of a contract it seems it was having trouble fulfilling. “Securacom got the $8.3 million World Trade Center security contract in October 1996 and received about $9.2 million from the WTC job from 1996 (a quarter of its revenues that year) to 1998. But in 1998, the company was "excused from the project" because it could not fulfill the work, according to former manager Al Weinstein, and the ELECTRONIC SECURITY WORK at the WTC was taken over by EJ Electric, a larger contractor.” www.washingtonspectator.com/articles/20050215bushes_3.cfmOver all security was still the responsibility of the Port Authority. So Marvin had been on the board of a company that did SOME of the ELECTRONIC security of the towers. Board members of course have little if any control over the day to day operations of a company normally meeting once a year to set general goals and elect a CEO if that position becomes vacant or if they decide to fire the current one. Provide a citation for them handling security at Dulles
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Post by yodaluver28 on Feb 27, 2007 21:41:52 GMT -4
Had people gotten to the roof, the local authorities would have been compelled by media attention to at least try to rescue them. Media attention? The NYPD, FDNY, and all the other responders on the scene were a little too busy trying to save lives to sit down with a cold one in front of a TV to see how things were being perceived by the media. No helicopter could've landed on that roof safely with the amount thick gray and black smoke obscuring the view. As someone else mentioned, I believe that there was one pilot who was willing to risk his life trying to land and that's very admirable but it would've likely been a suicide mission. In your opinion. Any evidence whatsoever that it actually happened that way that you'd like to share? Why lock the doors? If "they" knew that the buildings were going down no matter what, those people were going to die either way, since a helicopter rescue was impossible. In fact, if someone were manufacturing the entire event strictly for media consumption then having people on the roof, desperate to be rescued, would be far more dramatic than locking the doors and keeping their deaths out of sight. You're partially correct: 9/11 was planned many years before it occured, by Al Qaeda. We now know that it was in the works as early 1994, in it's earliest state and was coming together as an actual plan as early as 1996. Again, you're partially correct. The first attempt to destroy the towers was in 1993, by Al Qaeda operatives. No they were not and have never been seriously implicated in the attack. The incompetence of upper management is certainly a huge issue in that case but that's an entirely different story. Wrong. The FBI was only "handling" one man, Emad Salem, a retired Egyptian army officer who went undercover inside Sheikh Omar Abel Rahman's terrorist cell that operated out of Rahman's mosque in Brooklyn. Contrary to Alex Jones' sarcastic ranting on that stupid video clip, Salem was getting paid $500 a week for his work with the FBI. His agreement with the FBI stipulated that he was acting as a pure intelligence asset and thus would never have to testify in open court or wear a wire. After discovering the bombing plot, it was Salem's job to play along with the plan long enough for the FBI to gather details about the target and planned date. But things went wrong in July 2002, 7 months before the bombing, when Salem's case was assigned to a different agent than the one he'd been working with. His new handler tried to go back on his original employment agreement with the FBI and force him to wear a wire and testify in court. Salem, afraid for his family's lives once Rahman's inner circle discovered he was a mole as a result of his public testimony, refused, left the case, and stopped going to Rahman's mosque. In September 2002, Ramzi Yousef was brought to New York from Pakistan to replace Salem, who was supposed to be building the bomb. With Salem out of the inner circle, the FBI had no details about when the bombing would take place or where the bomb was being put together. After the bombing, Salem contacted the FBI and told them that bombing co-conspirator Mahmud Abouhalima had fled to Egypt and as a result of Salem's information, he was captured. Soon after, Salem informed the FBI that another bombing plot was being planned by Rahman. Salem was now paid a lump sum of $1.5 million to re-infiltrate the terror cell. This time, Rahman and his co-conspirators were arrested before the attacks could occur. Salem was the key witness for the prosecution's case. He and his entire family have been in the Witness Protection Program ever since. Get your facts straight before accusing people of cold-blooded murder please.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 27, 2007 21:53:14 GMT -4
July 2002 ,September 2002
I have a feeling you mean 1992
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