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Post by heavylove on Jul 25, 2009 6:05:13 GMT -4
I dont know if this issue has been debated already but I guess that some off you have seen the excellent movie Capricorn one about a Nasa journey to Mars (In a vehicle simular to Saturn V) where the austronauts were put off the spacecraft in the last minutes before departure due to lack of endurance in the life support systems? In that movie the actual mars journey and landing were simulated in a studio on earth. As I see it this is a far more plausible (But yet highly unlikely!) hoax theory than the rest of the teories suggested. I mean givent he fact that most of the spaceship making contracts went to the lowest bider it doenst sounds that extreme in such a complex spacecraft like the Apollo. And given this theory all the hardware would actually flew but without the humans. Well I am fully confesed to that the moonlanding actually happend but this sounds like an to interesting teory not to discuss.  |
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Post by Obviousman on Jul 25, 2009 7:20:44 GMT -4
I love the movie, but it does fall down in many technical aspects.
They used "pre-recorded" responses from previous simulations for a lot of things. VERY dangerous, because apart from some checks they had to go through, expecting the same thing to be said all the time would be plain stupid. It would especially NOT work for the majority of the time. Have a read over the Apollo transcripts; they talk about daily events, ask questions, etc - things that could not have been pre-planned.
That's just one aspect. I'm sure others have things to add.
But let me say this: It's a great movie with classic lines!
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Judy Drinkwater: I'll fix you some coffee, then you can jump me.
Robert Caulfield: There's no other one besides White Bluff?
Judy Drinkwater: No, except one abandoned base they use for training during World War Two. Jackson. There's nothing there now. Don't you want to jump me?
Robert Caulfield: Of course I do. Where's Jackson?
Judy Drinkwater: About three hundred miles directly west. I think I'm going to get angry with you.
Robert Caulfield: Do you have any money on you?
Judy Drinkwater: You want me to pay you?
Robert Caulfield: How much?
Judy Drinkwater: About a hundred. Why don't I just leave it on the dresser in the morning.
Robert Caulfield: Give it to me now.
Judy Drinkwater: In advance? That's the height of conceit.
Robert Caulfield: Please, and your car keys.
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Robert Caulfield: Mr Albaine, how much do you charge to dust a field?
Albain: Twenty five dollars.
Robert Caulfield: I'd like to hire your plane.
Albain: That'll be a hundred dollars.
Robert Caulfield: You said you charged twenty five?
Albain: Twenty five dollars to dust a field, but you ain't got no field because you ain't no farmer, which means you ain't poor and I think you're a pervert!
Robert Caulfield: Okay, one hundred.
Albain: One hundred and twenty five.
Robert Caulfield: What?
Albain: Because you said yes to a hundred too quick, which means you can afford a hundred and twenty five.
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Post by tedward on Jul 25, 2009 8:03:31 GMT -4
Pedant in me says Capricorn 1 is proof they could not have faked it and kept it quiet.......
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Post by gillianren on Jul 25, 2009 14:19:49 GMT -4
Honestly, no, I haven't seen the excellent movie Capricorn One. Netflix must have screwed up; the movie they sent me by that name was terrible.
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Post by dragonblaster on Jul 25, 2009 15:07:37 GMT -4
Capricorn One came out nearly six years after Apollo, and I recommend HBs who trot out the "Capricorn One is whistle-blowing" mantra to go to www.imdb.com/title/tt0077294/goofs. Now go to the Apollo footage and try to spot similar errors, which are prevalent in most films. If anyone does (using footage in the public domain), I will humblly acknowledge that Apollo was launched from, Hollywood, not Florida. |
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Post by blackstar on Jul 25, 2009 15:22:03 GMT -4
Film makers have the advantage that they can make their characters do whatever they want, regardless of how stupid the behaviour might be, just check any slasher film.
Capricorn One isn't really about space or a conspiracy thriller, it's largely a chase movie in which the fake Mars mission is shown only in the vaguest details.
Amongst other dumb plot points it posits the notion that one lone guy in the control centre has noticed the radio signals appear wrong, because of course no one else on Earth could possibly pick up the transmissions and analyse them...
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Post by nomuse on Jul 25, 2009 15:54:48 GMT -4
Sort of reminds me of Die Hard II, in which no-one at or near a busy commercial airport in the middle of a major metropolis can figure out any way of contacting an airplane except via the control tower's own transmitter.
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Post by AtomicDog on Jul 25, 2009 16:54:04 GMT -4
If dialog that was spoken during simulations is played back during the "real" mission, I guarantee that the controllers are going to catch it. Cadence, rhythm, pauses...it would be deja vu all over again.
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Post by grashtel on Jul 25, 2009 17:39:26 GMT -4
If dialog that was spoken during simulations is played back during the "real" mission, I guarantee that the controllers are going to catch it. Cadence, rhythm, pauses...it would be deja vu all over again. Yep, and if a controller flubbed his lines then things would get rather problematic as well |
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Post by Data Cable on Jul 26, 2009 1:07:05 GMT -4
I mean givent he fact that most of the spaceship making contracts went to the lowest bider it doenst sounds that extreme in such a complex spacecraft like the Apollo. Lowest bidder or not, if it takes until the day of the launch to figure out a critical subsystem like life support doesn't work properly, there's a serious problem with QC. However, this atrocious flick does provide an excellent answer to the HB argument that "NASA didn't want to risk killing astronauts in front of the world." Well, say some freak accident caused one of the supposedly-manned Saturn V's to explode shortly after lift-off in front of thousands of eyewitnesses and millions more on live TV. What happens to the men who were supposed to be aboard? |
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Post by Czero 101 on Jul 26, 2009 1:10:42 GMT -4
Well, say some freak accident caused one of the supposedly-manned Saturn V's to explode shortly after lift-off in front of thousands of eyewitnesses and millions more on live TV. What happens to the men who were supposed to be aboard? Well, to paraphrase a line from the movie, I guess they'd be on the roof... ;D Cz |
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Post by heavylove on Jul 26, 2009 6:37:35 GMT -4
Well I agree that using pre recorded messages would most likely be detected esp at the age when no advanced computers were at hand to modify em. And nasa emplyees arent single minded robots so I guess more than one will discover if there is aditional transmissions flying thats not looks right.
But its still an interesting conspiratcy and a good movie (esp the first part!).
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Post by heavylove on Jul 26, 2009 6:55:48 GMT -4
If dialog that was spoken during simulations is played back during the "real" mission, I guarantee that the controllers are going to catch it. Cadence, rhythm, pauses...it would be deja vu all over again. And in that movie an fuel empty aircraft exploded like it was a tank wagon filled with high explosives cause of the bad guyes highten the airfield ground 300ft! And that was with landing gear down and on the runway? wtf? Maybe something for Mythbusters to bust!  |
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Post by blackstar on Jul 26, 2009 7:20:52 GMT -4
Well I agree that using pre recorded messages would most likely be detected esp at the age when no advanced computers were at hand to modify em. And nasa emplyees arent single minded robots so I guess more than one will discover if there is aditional transmissions flying thats not looks right. But its still an interesting conspiratcy and a good movie (esp the first part!). No to mention all the radio astronomers around the world who would be tracking it, frankly Star Trek(2009) is more credible than Capricorn One, and a lot more entertaining... |
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Post by drewid on Jul 26, 2009 7:30:49 GMT -4
If dialog that was spoken during simulations is played back during the "real" mission, I guarantee that the controllers are going to catch it. Cadence, rhythm, pauses...it would be deja vu all over again. And in that movie an fuel empty aircraft exploded like it was a tank wagon filled with high explosives cause of the bad guyes highten the airfield ground 300ft! And that was with landing gear down and on the runway? wtf? Maybe something for Mythbusters to bust! Vapour is more explosive than liquid fuel so maybe... If you're welding a fuel tank for instance you fill it with water to drive the vapour out. But then again it is Hollywood so accurate explosions isn't exactly a strong suit. Just ask Michael Bay. |
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