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Post by JayUtah on Jan 4, 2010 20:26:23 GMT -4
Most of scientists study the samples inside the containment facility, right? No, most of them study samples in their own laboratories. |
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 4, 2010 21:04:59 GMT -4
One more Russian saying that there was a hoax. I haven't searched, but at first sight, Alexander Popov seems to have verifiable credentials.Yes, his diplomas appear real and his publication list appears authentic. However, it appears he is qualified only in a narrow discipline that has nothing to do with his Moon landing hoax claims. In fact, he simply repeats the claims of others: that everything was just somehow faked, and that some bits of evidence could be fabricated. In short, he commits the standard conspiracist fallacy of assuming that his claims carry no burden of proof and that the NASA claims are suspect unless it is impossible for evidence to be fabricated. Popov advances an affirmative rebuttal but does not support it. It appears to be the common tactic of waving one's (irrelevant) diploma and pretending that this excuses him from the need to supply proof.
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Post by gillianren on Jan 4, 2010 21:53:59 GMT -4
They did, with Luna 16. I believe GillianRen was referring to US attempts. No, Bob was. I was responding. They did. I was refering to the lack of evidence that the United States ever did such a thing. I just think a statement like that could be taken out of context, given "no evidence of anyone." |
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Post by Bob B. on Jan 4, 2010 23:58:33 GMT -4
They did. I was refering to the lack of evidence that the United States ever did such a thing. I just think a statement like that could be taken out of context, given "no evidence of anyone." Point noted; however, I was responding to Jairo when he wrote (emphasis mine): Actually, I've seen many HBs claiming that scientists got only tiny bits of samples to study and never saw evidence of the total amount, so NASA could be fooling them with a much smaller weight, brought by automated probes. Therefore "anybody" meant anybody at NASA or working for NASA. |
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Post by Daggerstab on Jan 5, 2010 4:07:53 GMT -4
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Post by lionking on Jan 6, 2010 10:15:01 GMT -4
Now that his name is known for refuting the moon landings, I can reveal the name I got from the Russian Cultural Center for the astronaut who visited the center and the one who my friend heard saying the landings were hoaxed and that he believes in ITs [if you still remember few years ago the conflict about Leonov vs anotehr astronaut that my friend heard. After asking the RCC I didn't reveal the name but now I can]. It was Popov.
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Post by echnaton on Jan 6, 2010 11:21:33 GMT -4
I assume you mean Ukrainian Cosmonaut Leonid Popov Also by "refute" you must mean "deny" rather than prove to be incorrect. |
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Post by lionking on Jan 6, 2010 12:58:57 GMT -4
yes he said he didn't believe in moon landings, he believes in ITs, and he was with Gagarin. When i went to the RCC to ask who was the astronaut who visited them they said it was Popov. It seems it is this one.
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Post by laurel on Jan 6, 2010 13:54:42 GMT -4
If it was Leonid Popov, he wasn't with Gagarin. The article says Popov was selected as a cosmonaut in 1970. Gagarin was selected in 1960 and he was killed in a MiG crash in 1968. So I don't know what "with Gagarin" means.
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Post by lionking on Jan 6, 2010 15:25:48 GMT -4
maybe he is alexander popov??
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Post by laurel on Jan 6, 2010 16:11:01 GMT -4
Alexander Popov is not a cosmonaut.
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Post by lionking on Jan 7, 2010 13:16:43 GMT -4
there was someone at thereception who said that Popov came and gave me a phone number of the translator. I called the translator and he said his name is Popovich but he didn't say the landings were faked. I don't know; I am confused, but my friend who doesn't recall the name said he was with Gagarin. There is a Russian artist who goes to the RCC . I got his email from the internet and asked him if he heard that and he said yes, but he doesn't recall the name.
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Post by lionking on Jan 7, 2010 13:33:40 GMT -4
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Post by echnaton on Jan 7, 2010 13:51:41 GMT -4
maybe it is Pavel Popovich? Maybe it is a third hand story of a conversation that may or may not have occurred between people whose identity we are not sure of. Not much to hang your hat on is there? |
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Post by lionking on Jan 8, 2010 14:55:09 GMT -4
maybe it is Pavel Popovich? Maybe it is a third hand story of a conversation that may or may not have occurred between people whose identity we are not sure of. Not much to hang your hat on is there? I have the attestation of two people who heard him. one of them is my friend. she said he was with Gagarin [without knowing from her what does 'with' mean] and that he believed in ETs. She said he only said that he doesn't believe the americans set foot on the moon bt he didn't discuss the issue. He spoke of what he believed are ET sightings. |
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