|
|
Post by Jairo on Jan 3, 2010 15:39:01 GMT -4
One more Russian saying that there was a hoax. I haven't searched, but at first sight, Alexander Popov seems to have verifiable credentials. He published a book in 2009, "Americans on the Moon - a great breakthrough or a space affair?", and I've found at least two sites about this (everything in Russian and google-translated, though): 1, 2. There are tons of text, and it seems very recent. Has anyone seen this before? |
|
|
|
Post by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on Jan 3, 2010 21:14:26 GMT -4
One more Russian saying that there was a hoax. I haven't searched, but at first sight, Alexander Popov seems to have verifiable credentials. None of them however are hosted on official sites, one link doesn't even work. Looks more like a brag page then anything useful. He published a book in 2009, "Americans on the Moon - a great breakthrough or a space affair?", and I've found at least two sites about this (everything in Russian and google-translated, though): Hope he's got something new. There are tons of text, and it seems very recent. Has anyone seen this before? tells me Alexander Popov hasn't been mentioned before today. From Wapedia: Alexander Ivanovich Popov claims to be a Russian doctor of physical-mathematical sciences and the author of more than 100 scientific works and inventions in the fields of laser optics and spectroscopy.
In 2009, Popov published a book claiming that the Saturn V was in fact a camouflaged Saturn 1B. He also denied all Moon landing evidence, dividing it to five groups:
1. Visual (photo, film and video) material that he held could successfully be made on Earth, in cinema studios.
2. Lunar visual material which he claimed was taken from earth orbit.
3. Space photos which he contended were made by space robots, including American ones.
4. Devices on Moon (e.g. light reflectors) which claimed were placed there on robotic flights.
5. Claims which he held to be unprovable, e.g. that the Apollo astronauts returned with 400 kg of soil.
Popov also claimed to have refuted the Galileo experiment made by Apollo 15 astronauts. He asserted that there are a significant number of repeating frames in their film, and after removing them, calculated the acceleration it was taken under as 9.5 ± 2 m/s2. Popov claimed that the experiment was filmed at NASA's Space Power Facility (SPF) vacuum chamber. A lot of people here are going to have giggle fits. |
|
|
|
Post by gillianren on Jan 3, 2010 22:20:31 GMT -4
You can't prove how much soil was brought back? What?
|
|
|
|
Post by LunarOrbit on Jan 3, 2010 22:37:33 GMT -4
You can't prove how much soil was brought back? What? Hoax believers argue that since they can't get their hands on the lunar samples there is no proof that it exists. Every one of the thousands of scientists around the world who HAS got their hands on lunar samples is lying.  |
|
|
|
Post by gillianren on Jan 3, 2010 23:59:20 GMT -4
I just don't see how it's "unprovable," even considering that. Okay, assume people were lying--that doesn't mean that it isn't theoretically possible to just weigh the damned stuff, does it?
|
|
|
|
Post by drewid on Jan 4, 2010 5:04:49 GMT -4
So Doctor Laser Optics doesn't understand how a scan converter works. :rolleyes:
I wonder what his papers were on?
|
|
|
|
Post by tedward on Jan 4, 2010 5:42:55 GMT -4
|
|
|
|
Post by Jairo on Jan 4, 2010 9:40:24 GMT -4
Hoax believers argue that since they can't get their hands on the lunar samples there is no proof that it exists. Every one of the thousands of scientists around the world who HAS got their hands on lunar samples is lying. Actually, I've seen many HBs claiming that scientists got only tiny bits of samples to study and never saw evidence of the total amount, so NASA could be fooling them with a much smaller weight, brought by automated probes. While HBs never proved that, I also haven't found much information against. Most papers talk about the samples, but not how much of them. |
|
|
|
Post by randombloke on Jan 4, 2010 10:01:00 GMT -4
Except that there are individual samples that are more massive than the sum of all previous robotic sample return missions.
Heck, even a pebble 2" across would be bigger than most robots could come up with.
|
|
Bob B.
Bob the Excel Guru?
Posts: 3,072
|
Post by Bob B. on Jan 4, 2010 12:30:06 GMT -4
Hoax believers argue that since they can't get their hands on the lunar samples there is no proof that it exists. Every one of the thousands of scientists around the world who HAS got their hands on lunar samples is lying. Actually, I've seen many HBs claiming that scientists got only tiny bits of samples to study and never saw evidence of the total amount, so NASA could be fooling them with a much smaller weight, brought by automated probes. Except that there is zero evidence of anyone ever designing, building, testing, launching, tracking and/or recovering an automated sample return probe. |
|
Jason
Pluto
May all your hits be crits
Posts: 5,579
|
Post by Jason on Jan 4, 2010 13:21:24 GMT -4
Proving that photos or films could have been produced on Earth doesn't prove that they were produced on Earth.
|
|
|
|
Post by gillianren on Jan 4, 2010 15:09:33 GMT -4
Except that there is zero evidence of anyone ever designing, building, testing, launching, tracking and/or recovering an automated sample return probe. I thought the Soviets did? |
|
|
|
Post by supermeerkat on Jan 4, 2010 16:14:16 GMT -4
Except that there is zero evidence of anyone ever designing, building, testing, launching, tracking and/or recovering an automated sample return probe. I thought the Soviets did? They did, with Luna 16. I believe GillianRen was referring to US attempts. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16 |
|
Bob B.
Bob the Excel Guru?
Posts: 3,072
|
Post by Bob B. on Jan 4, 2010 18:21:44 GMT -4
Except that there is zero evidence of anyone ever designing, building, testing, launching, tracking and/or recovering an automated sample return probe. I thought the Soviets did? They did. I was refering to the lack of evidence that the United States ever did such a thing. |
|
|
|
Post by Jairo on Jan 4, 2010 19:51:17 GMT -4
Most of scientists study the samples inside the containment facility, right?
|
|
