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Post by smlbstcbr on Jan 9, 2010 13:01:52 GMT -4
Most of scientists study the samples inside the containment facility, right? No, most of them study samples in their own laboratories. Interesting point, but what kind of silly argument would a HB argue of lunar samples sent around the world? |
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 9, 2010 16:17:42 GMT -4
If you can argue that all the scientific examination of the Apollo samples occurs in the LRL, you can then try to argue that it's done only under the close supervision of Government curators, who prevent any serious study that would allegedly uncover the "true" origins of the material. You can also argue that lunar-sample science is done only by a "priesthood" of specially selected and vetted researchers who toe the party line.
It's more problematic for the conspiracy theorists when it's understood that lunar-sample research can be conducted by virtually anyone on the planet in the comfort and privacy of his own laboratory, and that this has in fact occurred many times.
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Post by Jairo on Jan 10, 2010 13:59:56 GMT -4
I read that about 300 kg of samples are still in "pristine condition", which would mean that about 80 kg got out the facility for study or exposition.
Anyways, what about the 300 kg? Have they been studied by third parties inside the facility (maybe by the preliminary examination teams), or are they still mostly unseen?
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Post by smlbstcbr on Jan 10, 2010 18:57:00 GMT -4
I read that about 300 kg of samples are still in "pristine condition", which would mean that about 80 kg got out the facility for study or exposition. Anyways, what about the 300 kg? Have they been studied by third parties inside the facility (maybe by the preliminary examination teams), or are they still mostly unseen? Maybe the always-present Wikipedia can help you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rockPS: I liked this: [...] The seller of this moon rock offered it to the undercover Agents for 5 million dollars, a huge amount for something that weighed only 1.142 grams. That makes around 5 billion dolars per kilo, aproximately. Err... anyone remembers how much each kilo of Cameron's Unobtainium was worth? ;D   |
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Post by gillianren on Jan 10, 2010 20:59:52 GMT -4
Graham is listening to audio books wherein some of the characters jaunt off to the Moon every now and again, and every time a kind of stone is mentioned, it's always pumice. This bothers me a great deal. It's only tangentially related to the conversation, I admit, but I thought I would mention.
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Post by macapple on Jan 10, 2010 21:25:25 GMT -4
Whilst the Russians may have proven that it was possible to send a vehicle to the moon, gather rocks and return, it was not really a possibility for the US during the Apollo program. The key problems would be around heavy lifting capability and weight. The Luna recovery vehicles weighed about 5-6000 kg (Same as the CM approx) so we could assume that the US ones would be a comparable weight. At the time the US had no real heavy lifting capability, except the Saturn rockets to get something that heavy into LTO and to the moon. The Russians used a Block D (2.5 tons) and a Proton 8K82K to get Luna up which isnt a small beast at all. So the crux of this whole moon sample collection, resides in the US having sufficient heavy lifting capability to get a 5-6000 kg object into LTO and getting it to the moon and back. The only thing big enough to get it there was a Saturn IB, or V, launch vehicles and those were all accounted for unless someone had them hidden away in their back garden.  Titans and atlas couldn't lift that weight to a LT orbit so generally this whole "sending US sample collecting vehicles to the moon, and back" story got debunked a while back I think.. However just like really bad 1980s bands regrouping and touring this theory will also. |
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Post by echnaton on Jan 10, 2010 22:01:08 GMT -4
Maybe it is a third hand story of a conversation that may or may not have occurred between people whose identity we are not sure of. Not much to hang your hat on is there? I have the attestation of two people who heard him. one of them is my friend. she said he was with Gagarin [without knowing from her what does 'with' mean] and that he believed in ETs. She said he only said that he doesn't believe the americans set foot on the moon bt he didn't discuss the issue. He spoke of what he believed are ET sightings. A friend who heard someone who can't be identified say something which contradicts the vast majority of evidence is pretty thin support. |
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Post by Jason Thompson on Jan 11, 2010 5:13:47 GMT -4
Anyways, what about the 300 kg? Have they been studied by third parties inside the facility (maybe by the preliminary examination teams), or are they still mostly unseen? As far as I know they are still in the vault. All have been visually examined when they arrived, but the remaining tests are destructive. Since the samples are currently irreplacable they are let out in very controlled and minimal fashion (a chip off a rock here, a few grams of soil there). The chemical testing of rocks doesn't require much more than a few grams anyway, so there is no reason to go spreading them around the place. |
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Post by smlbstcbr on Jan 11, 2010 10:48:53 GMT -4
Anyways, what about the 300 kg? Have they been studied by third parties inside the facility (maybe by the preliminary examination teams), or are they still mostly unseen? As far as I know they are still in the vault. All have been visually examined when they arrived, but the remaining tests are destructive. Since the samples are currently irreplacable they are let out in very controlled and minimal fashion (a chip off a rock here, a few grams of soil there). The chemical testing of rocks doesn't require much more than a few grams anyway, so there is no reason to go spreading them around the place. Pristine Pristine Pris"tine, a. [L. pristinus, akin to prior: cf. F. pristin. See Prior, a.] Belonging to the earliest period or state; original; primitive; primeval; as, the pristine state of innocence; the pristine manners of a people; pristine vigor. [1913 Webster] Your explanation fits with the "pristine condition" explanation given by NASA, as well as being a good way of preserving material for future analysis. |
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Post by lionking on Jan 11, 2010 15:15:21 GMT -4
I have the attestation of two people who heard him. one of them is my friend. she said he was with Gagarin [without knowing from her what does 'with' mean] and that he believed in ETs. She said he only said that he doesn't believe the americans set foot on the moon bt he didn't discuss the issue. He spoke of what he believed are ET sightings. A friend who heard someone who can't be identified say something which contradicts the vast majority of evidence is pretty thin support. this was not proof but jsut a reflection on a previous thread that reminded me of this thread, especially the name of the astronaut that I received. |
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Post by conspiromaniac on Jan 28, 2010 13:01:04 GMT -4
Hi. I returned to you! Are you pleased to see of me? Situation is too peace in this forum.
I offer to begin here "cowboy's fight in salon" – unmaskers of NASA (Russians) against NASAguards (Americans).
I will put my thread, where I will prove below following:
“Your fa@king NASA never landed the people on the Moon. All, who believes in “Apollo” program, are stupid idiots or stupid liars. Amen!”
“I feel NASA hid the ends of moon swindle in sand. Dig sand and you will find truth!”
O’k?
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Post by BertL on Jan 28, 2010 13:44:01 GMT -4
What about the rest of the world? Earth isn't divided between Russia and America.
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Post by echnaton on Jan 28, 2010 14:26:06 GMT -4
Hi. I returned to you! Are you pleased to see of me? Hi, conspiromaniac. Well I guess the banning was a quick answer to your question. Bye. |
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Post by BertL on Jan 28, 2010 14:38:48 GMT -4
Hi. I returned to you! Are you pleased to see of me? Hi, conspiromaniac. Well I guess the banning was a quick answer to your question. Bye. Hmm, echnaton, I was under the impression that the BANNED thing was there due to an earlier thirty day ban about two and a half years ago. Especially since LO hasn't updated the banned users log. |
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Post by laurel on Jan 28, 2010 14:46:37 GMT -4
Well, if Conspiromaniac would like to get permanently banned, he's on the right track.
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