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Post by lionking on Aug 5, 2010 15:21:06 GMT -4
it made me wonder, but since the security is having better technical equipment it is no surprize that it as able to capture all these spies, and this process was ongoing since years, so it might be coincidence. the spies also confessed spying for israel. the security and HA were fighting over who got to uncover them first. HA said that the security [belongs to M14] knew about them since few weeks but didn't arrest them, and that information security unit replied that they requested from the minister of telecomm to inspect the phone calls [the minister is pro HA or an ally] and he took a long time to accept.
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Post by Jason on Aug 5, 2010 15:42:16 GMT -4
he is not suspected .. he confessed within 15 minutes after being confronted with proof. That assumes that the Al Jazeera account is completely accurate. Would you confess 15 minutes after being confronted with evidence you were a spy, knowing full well that it could mean your execution?
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Post by lionking on Aug 5, 2010 16:19:37 GMT -4
first, it is not only al jazeera who reported this. second, even the head of the Free Patriotic Movement Bloc, Michel Aoun, said that Jesus Disciples were subject to trials, thus confessing in a way that indeed the man is a spy. The politicians here can make their phone calls and get news of what is happenening, and Aoun phoned the minister of interior, ziad baroud, who told him that the situation is very dangerous [of course as reported by newspapers] and that more politicians close to Aoun are to come. All Lebanese newspapers reported the same news that he confessed. Of course we should wait and see the fina lresults, but you know when they captured him? after catching someone from the army who was a spy, Karam was getting prepared to flee Lebanon. He was caught before he could do this. read news if you want on www.naharnet.comwww.nowlebanon.comonly if you could read arabic I would have posted all the articles. anyways you can search Fayez Karam Israeli spy if he was confronted with solid evidence then he might well find it inevitable to admit
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Post by Ginnie on Aug 5, 2010 16:41:28 GMT -4
I see that once again, Lionking gets no empathy from anybody here regarding the situation her country is in. I can't imagine much worst places to be than a tiny country bordering on Israel.
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Post by gillianren on Aug 5, 2010 16:46:39 GMT -4
Oh, I can, easily.
The reason Lionking doesn't get much sympathy is that her reporting is always one-sided and she has made blatantly anti-Semitic comments in her posts before. Not "we are having problems with Israel," which is demonstrably true, but "it's all the fault of the Jews." She also does believe that anyone who opposes Israel is automatically in the right and Israel is automatically in the wrong. It gets tedious.
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Post by archer17 on Aug 5, 2010 17:07:35 GMT -4
I see that once again, Lionking gets no empathy from anybody here regarding the situation her country is in. I can't imagine much worst places to be than a tiny country bordering on Israel. You're wrong, at least with me. My posts, by what I addressed and what I didn't, reflect that. I know the score and don't expect lionking to approach this with the same dispassion that someone not living there would have. If you'd like to enter the discussion I'd suggest a brush-up on your geopolitics - Lebanon's problems are so much more than just being a "tiny country bordering on Israel."
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Post by Jason on Aug 5, 2010 17:52:55 GMT -4
Oh, I can, easily. The reason Lionking doesn't get much sympathy is that her reporting is always one-sided and she has made blatantly anti-Semitic comments in her posts before. Not "we are having problems with Israel," which is demonstrably true, but "it's all the fault of the Jews." She also does believe that anyone who opposes Israel is automatically in the right and Israel is automatically in the wrong. It gets tedious. We are in agreement. For "worst countries to live in" near the top of my list are places like Somalia and North Korea, which aren't very close to Israel.
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Post by Ginnie on Aug 5, 2010 18:54:59 GMT -4
I see that once again, Lionking gets no empathy from anybody here regarding the situation her country is in. I can't imagine much worst places to be than a tiny country bordering on Israel. You're wrong, at least with me. My posts, by what I addressed and what I didn't, reflect that. I know the score and don't expect lionking to approach this with the same dispassion that someone not living there would have. If you'd like to enter the discussion I'd suggest a brush-up on your geopolitics - Lebanon's problems are so much more than just being a "tiny country bordering on Israel." Definitely! I didn't mean to simplify the predicament that the Mideast is in, Archer. Lebanon seems to be in a no-win situation - they have as many enemies within, as they do outside their borders it seems. My point was more to the effect that just being in that location - next to Israel presents challenges. I guess I could also say, "next to Jordan" or "next to Syria" to be fair. In my reading of Middle Eastern history in the twentieth century, there seems to have been committed so many mistakes in politics and diplomacy that it sometimes baffles me. From the handling of the carving out of the old Ottoman Empire - essentially to please French and British interests (the Sykes-Picot Treaty of 1905) to the creation of Israel itself. The Arabs - having helped the Allies fight the war against the Turks and Germans were basically lied to and betrayed. Maybe the Arabs should have known better, but still, being a French or British mandate was better than being a Turkish one I guess. The modern-day "Palestine" developments are tangled and messy. British rule was resented by the Arabs and allowing so much Jewish immigration only compounded it. I remember reading part of one of Ibn Saud's sons letters (I forget which one -Feisel?) where the Jews were welcomed in peace, but that was early on. Whether or not the Jews had a right to establish their own state is debatable, I guess. They seemed at least to have a common goal whilst the Arabs infighting saw them shooting themselves in the foot time and time again. So many times, when agreements were ready to be signed, they backed out. Their attempts at overthrowing Israel since then ('48, '67, '73 etc) were inept and disorganized. Another thing which I've come across but haven't pursued is that in effect Jordan is really the Palestinian nation. It's been referred to even by Arab leaders. I have to admit I haven't followed the more recent history that much - so much has gone on back and forth between Israel and it neighbours that its become too difficult to figure out who's right and wrong - that's probably the wrong terms to use, but you know what I mean. So that's basically my take on what's happened in this region, but I know I can (and probably will) be educated as to what's going on right now. BTW, I was surprised to learn today that Lebanon is listed second as the country receiving most U.S. Aid per person (Israel is of course, first).
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Post by Ginnie on Aug 5, 2010 19:33:55 GMT -4
Oh, I can, easily. The reason Lionking doesn't get much sympathy is that her reporting is always one-sided and she has made blatantly anti-Semitic comments in her posts before. Not "we are having problems with Israel," which is demonstrably true, but "it's all the fault of the Jews." She also does believe that anyone who opposes Israel is automatically in the right and Israel is automatically in the wrong. It gets tedious. We are in agreement. For "worst countries to live in" near the top of my list are places like Somalia and North Korea, which aren't very close to Israel. ... and I have to live next door to those dastardly Americans! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by gillianren on Aug 5, 2010 22:24:12 GMT -4
I can't even plan to overrun your country anymore. I don't have the right paperwork to get through the border, given the post-9/11 tightening of restrictions.
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Post by lionking on Aug 6, 2010 2:31:15 GMT -4
Oh, I can, easily. The reason Lionking doesn't get much sympathy is that her reporting is always one-sided and she has made blatantly anti-Semitic comments in her posts before. Not "we are having problems with Israel," which is demonstrably true, but "it's all the fault of the Jews." She also does believe that anyone who opposes Israel is automatically in the right and Israel is automatically in the wrong. It gets tedious. you are wrong. I have criticized Hizbolla, Hamas and Syria probably more than anyone else. Don't forget that i support the March 14 movement that is anti-hizbolla, but when Israel wants to punish all Lebanon for Hizbolla, then it is different. As for the anti-Semitic comment, sorry but you should be out of your mind. Arabs are Semitic. We can't attack Israel becasue it is from our origins. This simply is illogical. It is becasue of Israel occupying lands in the South for more than twenty years, causign hizbollah to get legitimacy to fight it. It still occupies the Shebaa farms too , something that we don't know when it can explode.
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Post by gillianren on Aug 6, 2010 2:38:45 GMT -4
The phrase "anti-Semitic" may be illogical on ethnic grounds, but it is the accepted term in English for hatred of Jews. And no, you don't. If you really seriously read your posts, you are blatantly more accepting of sources which support your own bias, and you fight like crazy to deny that maybe the blame is not all one-sided.
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Post by lionking on Aug 6, 2010 3:46:11 GMT -4
The phrase "anti-Semitic" may be illogical on ethnic grounds, but it is the accepted term in English for hatred of Jews. And no, you don't. If you really seriously read your posts, you are blatantly more accepting of sources which support your own bias, and you fight like crazy to deny that maybe the blame is not all one-sided. the balme is not one sided and I have criticized the palestinians on many occasions. anti-semitic therefore is not appropriate for describing what I am doing. Imagine that a USA citizen will stand next to the Nazis against his coutnry while the Nazis are the ones occupying his lands, for example. Of course there is some aprt of responsibility on the others, but I am sayign that tje biggest aprt falls on Israel. and if you review comments here, most of them are biased and upprotive of Israel, so you don't see yourself both sides too and fight liek crazy to defend israel..whatever.. by the way the newspaper reported today that Karam was trying to get closer to the deciion makers. He was very much pro Hizbolla -FPM reconciliation and coming together. This means that Israel helped Hizbollah in a way to get out of its internal isolation and this has caused March 14 movement a lot of agonies. Sorry but not to attack Israel for infiltrations done on the highest levels jsut for you to be happy ..it is not going to happen
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Post by echnaton on Aug 6, 2010 11:08:37 GMT -4
I see that once again, Lionking gets no empathy from anybody here regarding the situation her country is in. I can't imagine much worst places to be than a tiny country bordering on Israel. I disagree. I do try to understand her position and respond in a neutral way when I can. But her one-sidedness and constant expressions outrage is a major obstacle to communication. We, at least I, am willing to listen and learn, but to do so there needs to be some assurance that Loinking is giving a balanced and accurate view. Past conversations have shown her not to be very good at that so I approach each new on with . People that yell all the time cannot expect much sympathy.
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Post by gillianren on Aug 6, 2010 12:40:02 GMT -4
the balme is not one sided and I have criticized the palestinians on many occasions. anti-semitic therefore is not appropriate for describing what I am doing. Imagine that a USA citizen will stand next to the Nazis against his coutnry while the Nazis are the ones occupying his lands, for example. Of course there is some aprt of responsibility on the others, but I am sayign that tje biggest aprt falls on Israel. and if you review comments here, most of them are biased and upprotive of Israel, so you don't see yourself both sides too and fight liek crazy to defend israel..whatever.. You don't even see what you did there, do you? The thing is, though, what you see as people fighting like crazy to defend Israel is actually, to an unbiased perspective, people telling you that, while Israel bears some of the blame, you can't just say that everything done is in self-defense. Well, you can, but it would be incorrect to do so.
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