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Post by banjomd on Mar 24, 2010 22:00:54 GMT -4
Is the preferred order: CDR, CMP, LMP when stating the mission crew? For example, I used to say, Apollo 11: Armstrong, Aldrin & Collins wheras it should be Armstrong, Collins & Aldrin (or am I nitpicking?  ) |
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Post by laurel on Mar 24, 2010 22:34:27 GMT -4
The CMP was the second in command of the mission so maybe it's more correct to say his name second. Just out of curiosity, I checked the books Apollo 13, Carrying The Fire, Liftoff, A Man On The Moon and Voices From The Moon. They all have appendices that list the crew for each Apollo mission, and they all list the CMPs second. But personally I'm just satisfied if someone knows all three names and spells them correctly. I encountered yet another person on Yahoo Answers yesterday who seemed to think Armstrong flew to the Moon by himself.  |
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Post by Bob B. on Mar 24, 2010 22:35:00 GMT -4
Is the preferred order: CDR, CMP, LMP when stating the mission crew? For example, I used to say, Apollo 11: Armstrong, Aldrin & Collins wheras it should be Armstrong, Collins & Aldrin (or am I nitpicking? ) That's the order I always list them because the CMP is second in command. |
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Post by laurel on Mar 24, 2010 22:42:15 GMT -4
I checked the ALSJ and Apollo Flight Journal, they also list the crews in the order of CDR, CMP, LMP.
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Post by Obviousman on Mar 25, 2010 3:16:15 GMT -4
That's right. For the first few Apollo flights it was alright for the LMP to be a rookie but the CMP had to have at least one spaceflight under their belt.
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Post by banjomd on Mar 25, 2010 7:25:56 GMT -4
Thanks, everyone. When I was young(er) , I felt that the CMP was just a "tag-along". I have come to the realization that, if the LM was only able to achieve a low lunar orbit upon return, it would be up to the CMP to go down and rescue them, something that I've heard would require a fair amount of piloting skill. The CDR and LMP had confidence in the CMP; makes Jim Lovell's anger over Mattingly's replacement so close to launch all the more justified. It also lends creedence to the argument that, if he did get rubella, he would be ill around the time that they might need his skills the most. Pretty much a "Lose/Lose" situation!  |
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Post by homobibiens on Mar 25, 2010 7:39:05 GMT -4
I encountered yet another person on Yahoo Answers yesterday who seemed to think Armstrong flew to the Moon by himself. Some of them refer to the "shuttle" flying to the moon as well  |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 25, 2010 17:03:22 GMT -4
I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but I encountered someone that seemed to believe that Yuri Gagarin was the first person to fly the shuttle solo......
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Post by laurel on Mar 25, 2010 17:48:51 GMT -4
Thanks, everyone. When I was young(er) , I felt that the CMP was just a "tag-along". I have come to the realization that, if the LM was only able to achieve a low lunar orbit upon return, it would be up to the CMP to go down and rescue them, something that I've heard would require a fair amount of piloting skill. The CDR and LMP had confidence in the CMP; makes Jim Lovell's anger over Mattingly's replacement so close to launch all the more justified. It also lends creedence to the argument that, if he did get rubella, he would be ill around the time that they might need his skills the most. Pretty much a "Lose/Lose" situation! I'm reminded of something Stuart Roosa said about being a CMP in Voices From the Moon (page 165): "I'm often asked that question because it's a very obvious question. When you're out here visiting ... the Lions Club or something, they say, 'You got so close, but you didn't get on the Moon.' But they have no concept of one, how proud you are to be selected, and two, that you're on a lunar crew, and three, that it's a landing and so forth ... I say, no, I don't mind, but they don't believe you. I don't know of a good answer to that ... you can say, twelve people have stood on the surface of the Moon and looked at the earth. Well, and there have only been six people that have orbited the Moon solo. There have only been six of us that have viewed the Earth from the lunar distance by yourself ... so we've got a smaller fraternity, if you want to count numbers." And also in this book on page 167, Ron Evans said, "We all (my emphasis) had the best job in the world. We really did." |
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Post by laurel on Mar 26, 2010 19:53:14 GMT -4
Something else vaguely related to this topic: during Apollo 12, a woman had a baby boy at the exact moment of their liftoff, so she named him after the three astronauts, Charles "Pete" Conrad, Richard "Dick" Gordon and Alan Bean. And she used the CDR, CMP, LMP order too. 
078:38:11 Gibson: Incidentally, there's a new baby boy born to a Baltimore, Maryland, mother at the precise time of your lift-off. Her name - or his name is Charles Richard Alan. Wilson is their last name.
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