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Post by gillianren on Aug 9, 2010 0:22:43 GMT -4
Yes, I know it's a wiki page, so take it with a grain of salt, but I tend to believe it. Why?
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Post by seemoe on Aug 9, 2010 8:09:50 GMT -4
because unlocked wiki pages can be edited by anyone
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Post by homobibiens on Aug 9, 2010 9:33:58 GMT -4
because unlocked wiki pages can be edited by anyone I think the "Why?" probably referred to the "I tend to believe it" part of the post.
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Post by fiveonit on Aug 9, 2010 11:51:55 GMT -4
Because, even being a WiKi page, I see no reason for the poster to make up such numbers, and even if they did it could easily be disputed by checking the reference they have posted... ^ "The Cosmic Grid", by Liz Kruesi, Astronomy Magazine, Dec. 2009, p. 62..
If it were a hoaxer making up such numbers on the WiKi, one would assume they would be much higher. I have often read in YouTube postings and other threads such nonsense as, "Most people know it's a fake!" or something similar. I am also using my own personal experience with friends, coworkers and even family members. I never realized how many people believe it was a hoax, or at least question the authenticity of the landings until I started discussing it. There were times I was left rather flabbergasted with the responses I had received. Have you taken the time to ask people around you how they feel about the Apollo landings? If you have not, you may want to do so. You might be surprised in the types responses you receive as well.
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Post by gillianren on Aug 9, 2010 12:09:28 GMT -4
Actually, yes, I have. Easily 90% have to have the very idea of the Moon hoax explained to them, and once it has been, they then ask how anyone could possibly believe that.
The thing is, a hoaxer wouldn't make up larger numbers, not if they had any sense. If the report said "76% of people under 30 believe Apollo was a hoax," what percentage of people would believe the poll wasn't a hoax? Using one poll which you've discovered on Wikipedia and the anecdotal evidence of the people in your particular area is not, to me, much solid evidence of anything.
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Post by laurel on Aug 9, 2010 13:44:51 GMT -4
Actually, yes, I have. Easily 90% have to have the very idea of the Moon hoax explained to them, and once it has been, they then ask how anyone could possibly believe that. The thing is, a hoaxer wouldn't make up larger numbers, not if they had any sense. If the report said "76% of people under 30 believe Apollo was a hoax," what percentage of people would believe the poll wasn't a hoax? Using one poll which you've discovered on Wikipedia and the anecdotal evidence of the people in your particular area is not, to me, much solid evidence of anything. Sometimes they do make up larger numbers. This hoaxer (the laughably named "openmindedskeptic") claimed 68% of the non-white US population believed in the hoax. apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theories&thread=2765&page=3#78807
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Post by gillianren on Aug 9, 2010 14:05:40 GMT -4
Oh, Gods, that one. Yeah. I did say "if they had any sense," though.
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Post by laurel on Aug 9, 2010 14:12:57 GMT -4
That's a pretty big "if."
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Post by gillianren on Aug 9, 2010 15:29:39 GMT -4
Granted!
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Post by PeterB on Aug 10, 2010 10:31:25 GMT -4
Gillianren
I believe the Bad Astronomer refers to some research about public belief in the Apollo Hoax in his article about the Fox Apollo TV show on the original Bad Astronomy web-site. The 6% figure tickles my memory.
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Post by lukepemberton on Aug 10, 2010 10:43:56 GMT -4
Gillianren I believe the Bad Astronomer refers to some research about public belief in the Apollo Hoax in his article about the Fox Apollo TV show on the original Bad Astronomy web-site. The 6% figure tickles my memory. The 6% tickles my memory too. Although I understand it depends on age group. For instance, I have given talks on the hoax to older audiences. I usually do a quick show of hands to see who believes and who does not. I've had one or two hands up so far. While not a definitive poll, I'd like to do the same talk to younger audiences, say 6th formers (UK pre-Uni). I bet a shiny coin that the response to a straw poll would be different. My point is this. When I was 16-20, the JFK thing was a huge talking point here in the UK. Most people then discover the opposite sex, partying and other hobbies; growing out of conspiracy. There are a few that stick and they become the hard core or profiteers. I really don't think that conspiracy is top of the agenda as people get older. It's just something they have an opinion on when asked. I don't get hung up on the figures. I just look at people around me, and for a large proportion of people, it's about surviving. Conspiracy does not play a huge role in most people's lives once they get into adulthood. That's my two cents worth.
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Post by gillianren on Aug 10, 2010 13:09:34 GMT -4
Phil does use the 6%, yes. And I'm sure it depends on age group. However, unlike Kennedy, I think Apollo is one of those things most people take for granted and don't even think about. Kennedy, funnily enough, tends to stick as a conspiracy for people because the Lee Harvey Oswald facts are too small, whereas for some, Apollo is just too big to believe.
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Post by drewid on Aug 10, 2010 14:47:19 GMT -4
There is some research (trying desparately to remember where I saw it) that 6% of people will believe pretty much anything they're told if it's done with a certain amount of authority. Kind of a gullibility quotient.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Aug 10, 2010 15:02:05 GMT -4
Plus there is a small segment of the population that intentionally gives false answers when participating in surveys just to skew the results. So if 6% of those surveyed answered that they believe Apollo was faked, it could really only be 3 or 4% who honestly believe it.
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Post by echnaton on Aug 10, 2010 15:46:01 GMT -4
Much less the fact that answers to survey questions are interpreted to make since out of them, adding even more uncertainly. Survey taking is both an art and science. The closer the margin, the more the art comes into play.
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