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Post by gillianren on Jul 30, 2010 15:10:57 GMT -4
Shoot, it's also possible to be both talented and crazy, but Werner Herzog Jarrah isn't. Not that anyone else is.
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Post by lukepemberton on Jul 30, 2010 16:49:55 GMT -4
I've had some dealings with Jarrah White, and StrayDog02 (SD02). I was commenting on a YouTube video (OK, it’s a guilty pleasure), and got involved in an exchange with SD02. As usual, questions regarding real evidence of claims were avoided by SD02, and the exchange of comments descended into the usual YouTube gutter. I referred to SD02 by his first name, and he insisted on mine... so I gave him a joke name (from the movie Porkys???).
Anyway, several months passed; I released a few videos regarding Ralph Rene's alternative science theories, with narration. I also made a criticism of Jarrah’s outstanding mathematics with his 1 = 1 debacle, and his lunar ‘super rock’ that could be accelerated with 216 times more force on the moon. By this time I had updated my channel with some basic information.
Meanwhile, Jarrah had used my accent, the subject matter of my videos and my channel description to construct a pen picture of me. It also transpired he had been given the joke name by SD02. By chance, Jarrah found someone on the web that (a) Fitted the pen picture he had drawn (b) Shared the joke name given to him by SD02.
Jarrah was ready... he had his man and published a video naming and shaming me... I saw the videos at his channel and started watching them. He then began raising the drama, leading into how he had my name... he then showed the comment that I had made to SD02 and went on to name an innocent man; name, place of work, position, email address, work number etc. I very quickly phoned the poor person involved. In fairness Jarrah took down the video once he knew.
But what was really off the cuff... in another video I had used a shot of some flying geese, with a house in the background. Jarrah took that shot, and finished up his video with this pearl:
“but you know what? I now have his voice. Oh, and I also have this street scene here, which is probably his home address, let’s see if they’ll match up with anything.” He then finished the video with the song ‘Let the hunter be the hunted.’
So, this little foray at TAM with wire and pen camera... it comes as no surprise.
He has friends that believe Apollo, and he’s quite chummy with them, and he cites this as evidence he can have friends that believe in Apollo too, and that is not an issue to him. I don’t buy it for one minute. His attacks on Phil, Jay, Jim and others over the years show that he’s got some deep seated hatred for anyone who opposes his views, or has spoken out against the hoax. The fact he labels defenders as propagandists and apologists speaks volumes about his mentality. He has put the word liars next to the pictures of researchers, published emails and taken them out of context (often drawing conclusions that aren’t there to be made with the info provided).
Currently he’s trying to raise $200 000 000 to fly him to the moon, because ‘propagandists’ have said he would not believe Apollo was real if he was shown the relics himself. He’s taken a few throw away words, intended to illustrate his blind faith, and used them literally to take pot shots at his ‘opponents’. The fact the money cannot be raised? He knows that, he just wants to prove that others aren’t willing to put their money where their mouth. He can then turn around and say ‘you can’t have that much faith then if you want give money.’ He’s like a political spin doctor, except his motives are much more transparent. He must think people are dumb. I wouldn’t give someone who makes the claims he does, with such a rudimentary understanding of physics, one cent.
I’ve asked him several times if he will have his work peer reviewed, a lot cheaper than a flight to the moon. No answer yet... he’s asking questions of others by the dozen, whether in his ‘videos’, emails, stomping around the world to TAM... whatever. Yet the guy is too afraid to sit down for a week and be questioned about his claims by experts in their field.
If you have got this far, thanks for reading. Personally, I am learning to ignore him as much as possible. I think the odd swipe at him is difficult to resist, and it is deserved when he makes the sort of arguments he does. I’d like to see him have confidence in his theories, write up his work, and send it for peer review, with verification he has sent it, and copies of comments he has received. He does not get to pick the journals he submits to either. I would suggest relevant journals with gravitas and prestige. He won’t, as he knows his case will crumble. It’s a safe case in his little walled garden, with his videos for the fawning few; where he can ‘pwn’, chest beating as he tells the world he had debunked another argument. I’d like to see him spend a day with experts in spacecraft design, nuclear physics, health physics and solar physics, and present his argument on radiation. I think he’ll soon realise why his name is White, as that is the colour he will turn...
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Post by BertL on Jul 30, 2010 17:20:41 GMT -4
Jarrah was ready... he had his man and published a video naming and shaming me... I saw the videos at his channel and started watching them. He then began raising the drama, leading into how he had my name... he then showed the comment that I had made to SD02 and went on to name an innocent man; name, place of work, position, email address, work number etc. I very quickly phoned the poor person involved. In fairness Jarrah took down the video once he knew. But what was really off the cuff... in another video I had used a shot of some flying geese, with a house in the background. Jarrah took that shot, and finished up his video with this pearl: “but you know what? I now have his voice. Oh, and I also have this street scene here, which is probably his home address, let’s see if they’ll match up with anything.” He then finished the video with the song ‘Let the hunter be the hunted.’Wow, are you serious? Jarrah posted a video on YouTube to let it be known to everyone who you are and where to find you, except he did it with the wrong person? That is, well, a sick thing to do.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 30, 2010 17:26:56 GMT -4
And surely it's a violation of YouTube's Terms of Service?
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Post by dwight on Jul 30, 2010 17:30:23 GMT -4
And against the law in some countries
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Post by BertL on Jul 30, 2010 17:50:21 GMT -4
And surely it's a violation of YouTube's Terms of Service? From YouTube's Terms of Service (relevant parts bolded): There's some more interesting stuff in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act section. And then of course there's the Community Guidelines which are more rules you have to stick to. From the page (again, relevant parts bolded): The "predatory behaviour, stalking, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, revealing other people’s personal information" part would be a nice summarization of what Jarrah did to this innocent man who wasn't involved, and what Jarrah seems to be doing with lukepemberton.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 30, 2010 18:04:56 GMT -4
That's exactly the kind of rule I expected YouTube to have in place. It's probably too late to do anything about it now that he has removed the video, but if he's done it once he'll likely do it again.
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Post by lukepemberton on Jul 30, 2010 18:35:51 GMT -4
Very much so... I ripped the video before he had chance to make them private, and handed it to the police, along with some other threats that were made to me by other hoaxers. If you have a YouTube account, send the channel url to me, and I'll send you a private link so you can see what was said. When I get chance, I'll write up the 'super lunar rock' theory here.
Since this experience, my line with a lot of the YouTube hoaxers is to tell them that 'they act tough behind an IP but would not talk to my face in the same way.'
It's quite funny as their reaction is usually 'A meeting can be arranged.', or 'PM me your address so we can meet.'
I think it really shows what they are, an aggressive, angry little bunch who really need a serious dose of introspection. I've never implied violence or suggested violence, I just point out that I don't think they would talk to me face to face like it. My point is that it's very easy to put up videos that threaten people, or talk trash in comments, but when it comes to answering simple questions regarding their claims they resort to cheap insults and gutter talk.
I've been no angel at YT myself, I'll admit, but it's often after some fairly unsavory accusations. I've had four YouTube accounts. I started using one to debate the moon hoax after getting interested in Apollo, I was never rude, or abusive. I was faced with a barrage of abuse instantly (mainly by un4g1v3n1 and SD02). In the end I closed that account as some of the stuff that was reaching my mail box was terrible. I was accused of 'pedophilia' for no reason, that my father abused me... and that's the stuff I will repeat in forum. Some of it gets very unsavory.
I then opened another account and thought I'd try and counter it, but I soon got fed up with the abuse again. Then I thought 'Why am I being silenced by these people?' I opened a third account and stood up for myself a bit more. I had to close that because of the abuse I was getting in my mail box. In the end I tried again, and settled, having made quite a few friends there now.
I know a lot of people here are not great YouTube fans, but I suggest that people look at PhilWebb59's work on craters and a critique of Jarrah's Exhibit D. It's very good, and nice to see someone putting out some real hard science at YouTube.
That's my YouTube experience...
Luke
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Post by gillianren on Jul 30, 2010 18:36:39 GMT -4
I've said it before and I'll say it again--if we raised $200 million to send someone to the Moon, Jarrah White would be very low on my list of people to send. I'd send someone deserving.
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Post by ka9q on Jul 30, 2010 19:04:01 GMT -4
One of the reasons I've gotten interested in the Apollo "hoax" is that I'm fascinated with the people who promote it. Why do they do it? I'm an engineer, not a psychiatrist or psychologist so my theories along these lines are purely the speculations of an amateur.
But I do think I've picked up some insights. And one of them is that the conspiracy theorist doesn't ask questions because of an honest interest in the answers. To them, questions are weapons.
Automatic weapons, that is. They rarely (if ever) like the answers so they'll ask them over and over, hoping that either the answer will change or the other party will eventually get tired of the whole affair and storm off.
If the answer changes, they can edit it into a video that proclaims that so-and-so can't keep his answers straight. And if the target simply gets tired, the CT will edit that into a video that claims "See! He refuses to answer the question. He obviously has something to hide!"
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Post by tedward on Jul 30, 2010 19:20:32 GMT -4
Saw the fly me to the moon malarkey. I think it is disingenuous, he must know he has a snowballs chance in hell in getting there at the moment. Wonder where any funds raised will go?
And 200 million? How far will that go?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 30, 2010 19:43:55 GMT -4
I think the Russians said they could fly a tourist to the Moon for around $200 million a few years ago, but it was a just flyby not a landing.
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Post by dwight on Jul 30, 2010 20:01:30 GMT -4
As I'm the closest one to Moscow, I volunteer myself as the broker between JW's flight and the Russian Space Agency.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 30, 2010 20:03:40 GMT -4
A flyby of the moon would be sufficient to prove humans can survive transit through the Van Allen Belt.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 30, 2010 22:12:44 GMT -4
I've said it before and I'll say it again--if we raised $200 million to send someone to the Moon, Jarrah White would be very low on my list of people to send. I'd send someone deserving. How about we just raise $100 million to send him....
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