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Post by capricorn1 on Aug 9, 2010 15:32:34 GMT -4
I want to ask how you have taken into account compression and its attendant issues and the issues with filming and transmission. Plus....the MB team loaded him up with correct weight for the airplane diving test, but for the jump sequences all they did was take weight off of him to match the astronaut's 60lbs. I don't think he had a fully functional and properly weighted PLSS. Why could that be significant?...... because the astronaut is pushing 300lbs of mass up, Adam is not. I think that could make a difference in the direction change at the top of the jump?
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Post by Czero 101 on Aug 9, 2010 15:32:47 GMT -4
Anyone who bases their entire study and conclusion merely on a YouTube video is doomed to failure right from the start.
Cz
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Post by Jason on Aug 9, 2010 15:33:36 GMT -4
Your beef is that the astronaut takes longer to descend than to ascend? But isn't that perfectly normal?
If I jump into the air on Earth it is quite possible that my upward jump will be faster than my descent. The initial upward acceleration provided by my leg muscles could be much stronger than the downward acceleration due to gravity that eventually stops my upward flight and returns me to Earth.
In other words, why should you expect me to go up at the same rate I go down? Try performing your same analysis with a high jumper or pole-vaulter, and see if they always go up at the same speed that they fall.
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Post by laurel on Aug 9, 2010 15:34:15 GMT -4
Moon rocks (well no you already know that Von Braun went moon rock collecting in Antarctica) No. This has been debunked already. www.clavius.org/envrocks.html
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Post by rodin on Aug 9, 2010 15:35:11 GMT -4
you need to use original footage. Youtube clips are worthless for any timing, goodness only knows what path they have taken from the original. You are using the feet, bad choice there. Also is this film footage or TV footage? That makes a huge difference to possible accuracy. Give me the access to the best footage of the incident in question you have and I am sure I will merely re-inforce my case
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Post by rodin on Aug 9, 2010 15:35:58 GMT -4
Moon rocks (well no you already know that Von Braun went moon rock collecting in Antarctica) No. This has been debunked already. www.clavius.org/envrocks.htmlnot to my satisfaction. but we digress
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Post by gillianren on Aug 9, 2010 15:36:31 GMT -4
Oh, goody. Someone else who expects us to provide them the material to do the analysis they claim they've already done.
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Post by rodin on Aug 9, 2010 15:36:40 GMT -4
I want to ask how you have taken into account compression and its attendant issues and the issues with filming and transmission. Plus....the MB team loaded him up with correct weight for the airplane diving test, but for the jump sequences all they did was take weight off of him to match the astronaut's 60lbs. I don't think he had a fully functional and properly weighted PLSS. Why could that be significant?...... because the astronaut is pushing 300lbs of mass up, Adam is not. I think that could make a difference in the direction change at the top of the jump? no
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Post by rodin on Aug 9, 2010 15:38:16 GMT -4
Oh, goody. Someone else who expects us to provide them the material to do the analysis they claim they've already done. Who was it said - by their works ye shall know them? Are you going to play hide and seek with the url or just cough it up for examination? Are you for truth or what? In any case I maintain the you tube is good enouigh because the discrepancy is so HUGE Ok enough for now I'll be back
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Post by tedward on Aug 9, 2010 15:41:04 GMT -4
If I may ask again, what is your take on the quality of information you have used? You base a lot on it, do you understand it?
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Post by tedward on Aug 9, 2010 15:42:31 GMT -4
I want to ask how you have taken into account compression and its attendant issues and the issues with filming and transmission. Plus....the MB team loaded him up with correct weight for the airplane diving test, but for the jump sequences all they did was take weight off of him to match the astronaut's 60lbs. I don't think he had a fully functional and properly weighted PLSS. Why could that be significant?...... because the astronaut is pushing 300lbs of mass up, Adam is not. I think that could make a difference in the direction change at the top of the jump? Unfortunately I still have not seen that episode.
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Post by laurel on Aug 9, 2010 15:43:48 GMT -4
Is this clip better than the YouTube one? www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/a16salute.mpgThe description says, "For students interested in analyzing John's 'Big Navy Salute', I have made a short, 2.7 MB MPEG-1 clip of better resolution and at 29.97 fps, showing only the two jumps.”
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Post by scooter on Aug 9, 2010 15:58:21 GMT -4
Oh, goody. Someone else who expects us to provide them the material to do the analysis they claim they've already done. Who was it said - by their works ye shall know them? Are you going to play hide and seek with the url or just cough it up for examination? Are you for truth or what? In any case I maintain the you tube is good enouigh because the discrepancy is so HUGE Ok enough for now I'll be back It appears that you have come to a conclusion admittedly without investigating all the available evidence. Do your homework...that's why they call it a "study".
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Post by fiveonit on Aug 9, 2010 16:04:01 GMT -4
not to my satisfaction. but we digress The moon rocks brought back by the Apollo Missions have been examined by qualified geologist throughout the world, over the past 40 years. Not one has ever disputed their authenticity. Unless you have the necessary qualifications to dispute their findings, your satisfaction matters little, if at all.
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Post by rodin on Aug 9, 2010 16:05:12 GMT -4
If I may ask again, what is your take on the quality of information you have used? You base a lot on it, do you understand it? It is GOOD ENOUGH to prove a point. Give me your best quality film and I will settle this using a frame editor and multiple body sample points. I can tell you now though I will prove wires beyond a shadow of doubt. That is why I went on BAUT and here - to see what counter arguments could be raised. I'll be back
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