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Post by PeterB on Sept 10, 2010 12:01:09 GMT -4
Zap pits were, it was discovered, relatively easy to fake, thanks to the development of high speed firing systems./ You what? Evidence please. What are you talking about? All this grand theorising, and then you have to ask us a basic question you could get answered by (a) some research or (b) asking the geology department at your local university.
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Post by Cavorite on Sept 10, 2010 12:08:01 GMT -4
I set the thread up because you made an off-hand comment in another thread about the Moon rocks were faked and I wanted to find out what your evidence was. Specifically, he asserted that von Braun collected rocks in Antarctica, and that he had "answers that would surprise us". Underwhelmed is I </yoda>
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Post by capricorn1 on Sept 10, 2010 12:12:28 GMT -4
Rodin, can you please tell the board why you believe NASA had to fake the Moon landings?
Which items built and assembled were not up to the job....ie. please list anything you think could not do its designated job?
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Post by grashtel on Sept 10, 2010 12:40:18 GMT -4
Rodin, can you please tell the board why you believe NASA had to fake the Moon landings? Apparently the root cause for it being faked was Teh Ebil Jooz who have secretly controlled the USA and Russia/USSR since the early 20th century who due to their evil and jewishness needed to fake Apollo, 911, global warming, and probably a whole bunch of other stuff as well, at least if you happen to live in Rodin's particular version of reality anyway.
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Post by JayUtah on Sept 10, 2010 12:58:49 GMT -4
...at least if you happen to live in Rodin's particular version of reality anyway. I don't; and the need to fabricate an entire alternate reality in order to explain how to fake Moon rocks doesn't really speak to me. Besides, why would this hypothetical Jewish cabal hire ex-Nazi SS officer Wernher von Braun to go to Antarctica and pick up Moon rocks? I'm starting to think Rodin isn't finished telling us what wars must have been faked in order for his beliefs to be true.
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Post by captain swoop on Sept 10, 2010 13:56:27 GMT -4
How would NASA explain any differences in their 'fake' rocks as compared to the first rocks retrieved by any other country landing on the moon in the future?
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Post by gillianren on Sept 10, 2010 14:17:04 GMT -4
I am so . . . stunned by what Rodin considers evidence, the scientific method, filmmaking, geology, mathematics, physics, history, politics, economics, and really everything else he's mentioned. This is astonishing ignorance or trolling, and if it's ignorance, it's willful.
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Post by echnaton on Sept 10, 2010 15:20:44 GMT -4
I am so . . . stunned by what Rodin considers evidence, the scientific method, filmmaking, geology, mathematics, physics, history, politics, economics, and really everything else he's mentioned. This is astonishing ignorance or trolling, and if it's ignorance, it's willful. Lets be charitable and agree that he is trolling.
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Post by kallewirsch on Sept 10, 2010 17:30:33 GMT -4
If it were up to me, "could be faked" would be an automatic fail. You are not correct. Well. In this case, one should immidately call the police and have rodin put into jail for murdering. Why? Because he could have murdered somebody. What do you mean, I have no evidence? I am pretty sure that there is a knife somewhere in his kitchen. So he could have done it. What do you mean, there wasn't somebody murdered in his town? He could have searched for somebody without a family or friends, such that nobody would have noticed. He could have done it this way. What do you mean, there was no dead body found? He could have burried it in his garden. Or he could have used some acid. What do you mean, he wasn't around, he has been to Europe during that time? Maybe he created some body double in a body double machine, sent that one to Europe and did the crime. It could have been done. And so on, and so on. Rodin, do you see how ridiculous this gets? 'Could have' is something for small childs, not for grown ups. If you are an adult, then it is facts and evidence that count. Not 'could have'. 'Could have' is speculation. If I accuse you of some crime, I better come up with evidence. 'Could have' is not enough. You on the other side have nothing to do. I am the one accusing, so it is my part to show some evidence and prove what I am accusing. And of course it is not enough for me to show that you could have done one thing or the other. I have to show that you did it. I have to show that you actually have a knife, that you actually used that knife, that you were there and so on and so on.
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Post by scooter on Sept 10, 2010 21:03:57 GMT -4
Let's turn this around. I say "we COULD have flown to the Moon". The details on the technology and science are extremely well documented. It is an entirely plausable scenario.
...ergo, we went, as rodin has no proof, or even evidence, that we did not.
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Post by PeterB on Sept 12, 2010 8:19:25 GMT -4
Rodin, can you please tell the board why you believe NASA had to fake the Moon landings? Which items built and assembled were not up to the job....ie. please list anything you think could not do its designated job? Seconded.
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Post by blackstar on Sept 12, 2010 8:45:58 GMT -4
Rodin, can you please tell the board why you believe NASA had to fake the Moon landings? Which items built and assembled were not up to the job....ie. please list anything you think could not do its designated job? Seconded. Well Rodin has started a thread on Gamma rays so I suspect he's going for a version of the 'searing radiation hell' as a reason for the hoax but the way he bounces around its hard to be certain.
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Sept 13, 2010 4:51:49 GMT -4
Well Rodin has started a thread on Gamma rays so I suspect he's going for a version of the 'searing radiation hell' as a reason for the hoax but the way he bounces around its hard to be certain. I am down with the petunias on that one ...
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Post by AstroSmurf on Sept 13, 2010 8:59:04 GMT -4
Or to put it otherwise, rodin could have provided us with evidence, but we haven't seen that he actually did...
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Post by JayUtah on Sept 13, 2010 11:07:42 GMT -4
Well Rodin has started a thread on Gamma rays... Started and then promptly abandoned once it was shown that he'd have to provide more than handwaving and insinuation. It's pretty obvious at this point that Rodin is a committed believer in the hoax theory. As others have before him, he's searching for some pseudo-intellectual reason to keep believing in it. That's why he's satisfied with explanations only that it "could" be fake. As long as he can pseudo-intellectually hold out hope that the Moon landings "might" be fake, he's happy and his worldview remains intact.
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