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Post by laurel on Aug 16, 2010 18:45:01 GMT -4
If you have such answers, Rodin, what are they?
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Post by Jason Thompson on Aug 16, 2010 18:51:35 GMT -4
Well, someone at NASA could be interested in geology even if it wasn't technically part of their job description. Quite true, but if the goal is deception and secretly obtaining lunar samples, you don't send one of the most recognisable figures in the whole of NASA.
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Post by captain swoop on Aug 16, 2010 18:56:30 GMT -4
What about the Core Samples? Did they come from the Antarctic? It's not that the Antarctic has more Lunar Meteorites than anywhere else it's that they are easier to find because of the conditions there.
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Post by capricorn1 on Aug 16, 2010 18:57:28 GMT -4
Well I have answers even to those that will surprise you. I like surprises.....I'm all ears.
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Post by JayUtah on Aug 16, 2010 19:14:43 GMT -4
Where did I use the word evidence? I said answers. I see neither -- only wishful thinking.
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Post by Ginnie on Aug 16, 2010 19:39:35 GMT -4
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Post by gillianren on Aug 16, 2010 20:39:59 GMT -4
Where did I use the word evidence? I said answers. As has been pointed out, what's the point of answers if you don't have evidence to back it up? I've been blaming things on someone for nearly twenty years now. No matter what, it can be his fault so far as I'm concerned. This despite the fact that I haven't seen him in fifteen. It's an answer, but it's not a correct one and no one has any reason to believe it is.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 16, 2010 20:42:07 GMT -4
I moved my post to this more appropriate thread. No rocks from Antarctica were identified as lunar meteorites until 1982. Are you saying that Von Braun could somehow identify them more than ten years before anyone else could? Well now - how do we know that some meteorites in Antarctica come from the Moon. Is it because they match the Moon Rocks? Without the Moon Rocks as comparison could we tell if these meteorites were indeed Lunar? Are you suggesting that the Soviets faked their unmanned sample returns as well?
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Post by fiveonit on Aug 16, 2010 22:38:26 GMT -4
That could have been a cover story A moon hoax proponent starting off a sentence with, "That could have been ... "You could knock me over with a feather right now.
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Post by JayUtah on Aug 16, 2010 22:44:01 GMT -4
Quite true, but if the goal is deception and secretly obtaining lunar samples, you don't send one of the most recognisable figures in the whole of NASA. Indeed, you bury it behind two or three levels of contracting, so that the people who actually go to Antarctica probably don't even know who they ultimately work for or why they're collecting meteorites. NASA has many missions, not just landing on the Moon. Hide it under there, not under the song-and-dance of a high-profile visit by one of the most prominent men in the aerospace industry. The Apollo samples are and were to be some of the strongest evidence of the authenticity of the missions. It's absolutely vital to hide where they really came from, and under a program similar to what I outlined above, not at all difficult. Conspiracy theories always read like really bad spy novels.
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Post by dwight on Aug 17, 2010 3:44:17 GMT -4
Like the bit in Capricorn 1, where the fiesty controller suddenly completely disappears - with nary a pip of recollection from any of the people who worked alongside hime for the last couple of years. The people in the film seem to go along with it, but in the real world it would be very different.
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Post by tedward on Aug 17, 2010 3:49:39 GMT -4
You would think with all the countries down there and tourism that some HB's or a country dead against the US could easily go and find a few and knock the landings off the reality peg.(well, as much as that continents conditions will allow).
Oh, but hang on. The Earth has an atmosphere. How is that dealt with rodin?
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Post by thetart on Aug 17, 2010 4:51:48 GMT -4
rodin - you claim the moon rocks are faked. The only basis you have is the von Braun visit to Antartica, which is a matter of public record.
How do you explain the cores? I expect you don't know about these because you don't do much research up front - you just make an unfounded claim from something you have seen on a CT website then you dig yourself into a hole once it is shown that you know a lot less about things than you claim.
Do your research, become more knowledgeable about Apollo, then if you have questions post them and others will be happy to help. You may be surprised at what interesting stuff you can learn.
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Post by Kiwi on Aug 17, 2010 6:10:15 GMT -4
I would have to find out what the 'Zap pats' are first. Oh, Boy! I burst out laughing very loudly at that. You claim the moon rocks were faked, yet you haven't a clue what zap pits are. Do note that they are pits, not pats. Funnily enough, they have already been mentioned for your benefit, although not by name. Is this just another indication that you neither read properly nor understand what people post here for your information and education? Nevertheless, maybe there are lurkers and other members here who are learning, but just not you. Von Braun goes to Antarctica couple years before Apollo 11 but well into the Lunar program... That could have been a cover storyOf course it could, just like stories of World War 2 or the Trieste going to the bottom of the Marianas Trench could be fairy tales. And Donald Duck could be real too. But are they in fact? We don't bother with silly conjecture here, we deal in facts. Antarctica is where to look for Moon Rocks that have fallen to Earth as meteorites. Sigh! It has already been pointed out to you that moon meteorites weren't found in Antarctica until a decade after von Braun was there and until after lunar rocks were returned to earth. Do you ever pay attention? BertL clearly says that you don't. As luck would have it, I have here copies of a number of newspaper and magazine clippings that I located over the last few months and intend to write into a story and post here at ApolloHoax. They are all about von Braun's trip to Antarctica and some of the research programmes that were going on there around that time. Perhaps in the meantime you could post any evidence you have that von Braun actually went to the areas where moon meteorites were found. Then we could see how your evidence about his trip compares with the evidence I have. I can tell you that he took three long trips of 840, 922 and 1409 miles from his Antarctic base, plus other short ones. But come to think of it, everything I have about his trip could be faked, couldn't it? You said you would surprise us. I'm probably not the only one here who is underwhelmed at your inability to do so.
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Post by gwiz on Aug 17, 2010 6:12:14 GMT -4
Antarctica is where to look for Moon Rocks that have fallen to Earth as meteorites. Do you realise that only a small proportion of meteorites are from the moon? Do you realise that you need to do lab analysis to sort out which? Do you realise that the total mass of lunar meteorites gathered in the three decades since the first was recognised is an order of magnitude smaller than the Apollo collection? You are proposing that Von Braun was astonishingly successful is gathering these meteorites, to the extent that he emptied an entire continent of them in a couple of weeks.
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