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Post by blackstar on Sept 9, 2010 12:30:42 GMT -4
Rodin try and understand this, during WWII the USSR was an ally of the USA, the one doing the bulk of the fighting in fact. It was imperative to keep them in the war so the western allies were willing to give them pretty much anything they needed. Ater 1945 another set of imperatives came into play that saw relations with the USSR deteriorate and with the Berlin blockade in 1948 the Cold War was on in earnest. In short the Cold War didn't begin until after 1945, thus that chunk of cut and paste you posted in lieu of an argument is irrelevant. Now how about getting back to trying to back up your claims about the moon rocks?
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Post by blackstar on Sept 9, 2010 12:40:08 GMT -4
The Cold War was a Hoax. Which is not to say that ordinary soldiers perceived it as such. The higher up the chain of command though the closer the convergence in aims and ambitions. Except it wouldn't work. You cannot have the vast mass of of your people with real weapons and the potential to start a real shooting war and thinking they are in a real conflict if they aren't, that route will lead to disaster. If you read any history you would see the power of politicians and generals to control conflicts is very limited, once they start they tend to take on a life of their own. And as for those generals frankly the notion that the likes of Macarthur and Doolittle would have played along with cozying up to the USSR is laughable.
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Post by rodin on Sept 9, 2010 12:52:07 GMT -4
Someone questioned whether I knew what 'cores' were. I do from my interest in mining companies.
Now on to the Moon Rocks
1) We could have all analyses controlled. heck if we can keep the lid on the obvious demolition of WTC we can easily make up Moon Rock stories
2) We could fake Moon Rocks (and Cores). The claim is that the crystalline surface structure must have formed in a vacuum. How about we grab a rocky meteorite. Blast off the outer layer - that would reveal a rough interior essentially similar to the final Moon rock specification with perhaps one difference - the surface layer would not have sharp edges. So how to make sharp edges? Grow fresh crystals on top would be first thought - in vacuo of course.
3) Alternatively just make rocks from scratch in vacuo to match one of the 'Lunar' meteorites found by Von Braun
Just some suggestions
Now other stuff LRRR LRO etc has been brought up. Do you want to discuss that here, on the jump analysis thread, or what?
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Post by rodin on Sept 9, 2010 12:53:43 GMT -4
Rodin try and understand this, during WWII the USSR was an ally of the USA, the one doing the bulk of the fighting in fact. It was imperative to keep them in the war so the western allies were willing to give them pretty much anything they needed. Ater 1945 another set of imperatives came into play that saw relations with the USSR deteriorate and with the Berlin blockade in 1948 the Cold War was on in earnest. In short the Cold War didn't begin until after 1945, thus that chunk of cut and paste you posted in lieu of an argument is irrelevant. Now how about getting back to trying to back up your claims about the moon rocks? An ally that gets the atom bomb given to them?
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Post by rodin on Sept 9, 2010 12:54:28 GMT -4
The Cold War was a Hoax. Which is not to say that ordinary soldiers perceived it as such. The higher up the chain of command though the closer the convergence in aims and ambitions. Except it wouldn't work. You cannot have the vast mass of of your people with real weapons and the potential to start a real shooting war and thinking they are in a real conflict if they aren't, that route will lead to disaster. If you read any history you would see the power of politicians and generals to control conflicts is very limited, once they start they tend to take on a life of their own. And as for those generals frankly the notion that the likes of Macarthur and Doolittle would have played along with cozying up to the USSR is laughable. The good generals (like Patton) were murdered
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Post by drewid on Sept 9, 2010 12:55:59 GMT -4
Even when the soviets were allies during the war the amount of cooperation was somewhat limited because the western allies didn't really trust them, and were routinely running intercepts on soviet encoded message traffic.
Bletchley park had a team devoted to decoding Soviet transmissions and the cracked German messages the Brits passed on to them was extremely limited.
We didn't trust them even when they were 'on our side' pre 1946.
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Post by rodin on Sept 9, 2010 13:00:13 GMT -4
Rodin try and understand this, during WWII the USSR was an ally of the USA, the one doing the bulk of the fighting in fact. It was imperative to keep them in the war so the western allies were willing to give them pretty much anything they needed. Ater 1945 another set of imperatives came into play that saw relations with the USSR deteriorate and with the Berlin blockade in 1948 the Cold War was on in earnest. In short the Cold War didn't begin until after 1945, thus that chunk of cut and paste you posted in lieu of an argument is irrelevant. Now how about getting back to trying to back up your claims about the moon rocks? Senator McCarthy certainly believed in the Cold War. He did his duty best he could based on what he knew. He was betrayed, demonised, and eventually (too late) vindicated. He was like the Russian journalists who get too close to the oligarchic truth - taken care of. The truth was both the USSR and USA were being run by the International Jewish mafiya since 1913 and 1917 respectively to add www.iamthewitness.com/books/Douglas.Reed/The.Controversy.of.Zion/41.The.Revolution.Extends.htmDouglas Reed was the prime war Correspondent in the UK between the wars
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Post by rodin on Sept 9, 2010 13:01:52 GMT -4
Even when the soviets were allies during the war the amount of cooperation was somewhat limited because the western allies didn't really trust them, and were routinely running intercepts on soviet encoded message traffic. Bletchley park had a team devoted to decoding Soviet transmissions and the cracked German messages the Brits passed on to them was extremely limited. We didn't trust them even when they were 'on our side' pre 1946. Read the Lend Lease inventory. USA gave USSR atomic secrets AND materials during Manhattan.
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Post by laurel on Sept 9, 2010 13:11:19 GMT -4
You complain about other people changing the subject, then you post unrelated conspiracy theories like this.
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Post by JayUtah on Sept 9, 2010 13:14:54 GMT -4
No, just more wild unsupported claims. When are we going to get to actual answers and evidence? You said you were well-equipped to debate this topic, and so far it seems all you're good at is inventing an alternate reality in which your beliefs all seem true.
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Post by blackstar on Sept 9, 2010 13:56:12 GMT -4
all you've demonstrated in your time here Rodin is your lack of knowledge about video analysis, geology, and history. You throw out what you 'believe' and expect everyone to essentially take your word for it. You are either a troll or someone so far removed from reality as to be unreachable. Prove me wrong, make your next post some actual evidence to back up your moon rock claims.
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Post by echnaton on Sept 9, 2010 14:01:59 GMT -4
Let me sum up rodin's arguments to date;
The Jews have conspired to make a world so complex and opaque that only I can understand it.
I think it is time to stop his anti-Semitic pronouncements here. Either through an outright ban as a troll or at least through a warning that further "Jewish conspiracy" comments will lead to being banned. We have no obligation to let him post on this topic just because a banning will lead to his self justification of his racist beliefs. I prefer to just cut him off now. This tread and others on his topics are moving away from clarity.
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Post by Bob B. on Sept 9, 2010 14:10:21 GMT -4
1) We could have all analyses controlled. heck if we can keep the lid on the obvious demolition of WTC we can easily make up Moon Rock stories2) We could fake Moon Rocks (and Cores). The claim is that the crystalline surface structure must have formed in a vacuum. How about we grab a rocky meteorite. Blast off the outer layer - that would reveal a rough interior essentially similar to the final Moon rock specification with perhaps one difference - the surface layer would not have sharp edges. So how to make sharp edges? Grow fresh crystals on top would be first thought - in vacuo of course. 3) Alternatively just make rocks from scratch in vacuo to match one of the 'Lunar' meteorites found by Von Braun. Now if you could just get a few respected geologists to sign off on your theory as something that would fool them, then maybe we could start to take you seriously. In the meantime it is just a bunch of technobabble not worthy of discussion.
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Post by Bob B. on Sept 9, 2010 14:11:00 GMT -4
I thought we had a separate thread for the cold war discussion?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Sept 9, 2010 14:13:04 GMT -4
Rodin,
Stick to the topic (the moon rocks, in case you've forgotten). Your thoughts on the cold war can be discussed in the following thread started specifically for you:
Rodin's Cold War fakery evidence
Do no post about any conspiracy theories unrelated to the Apollo hoax theory in this section of the forum. This is not the place for 9/11 discussions, and I will not tolerate any anti-semitic bigotry.
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