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Post by kallewirsch on Aug 23, 2010 4:31:58 GMT -4
I think that some people would not believe it if you took them ether and bobbed their heads on the landing legs. Me, me, me, me. Please take me! I volunteer in going to the moon to get my head bobbed on the landing legs.
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Post by ineluki on Aug 23, 2010 6:21:24 GMT -4
So I think the only cure will be if people are able to see the sites with their own two eyes. Anyone else agree? That's really funny, given your own "skepticism" with regards to the rocks, do you really think Hoaxers wouldn't come up with another round of stupid claims to "explain" what they see? The Descent Stage of the LM was probably put there by the same robotic spaceships that collected the rocks
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Post by echnaton on Aug 23, 2010 9:36:35 GMT -4
I don't want the hoax theory to die. Because of the hoax theory (and hence sites like this) I have learned a lot of interesting technical stuff about rocket science. But more importantly I've rekindled my passion and admiration for the folk that went to the moon. I respect them a lot more than internet HBs who refuse to accept the evidence. Truth seekers? My arse. This is also true for me. Before my interest in odd thinking and behavior brought me to the old BABB and then here, I didn't think much about Apollo. It was a part of my childhood but I had little reason to invest time in learning more, beyond the occasional visit to the Johnson Space Center where the Saturn 5 is on display. The question and answer aspect of dealing with hoax believers has taught me a world of cool information about rocket science.
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Post by thetart on Aug 23, 2010 10:16:14 GMT -4
I don't want the hoax theory to die. Because of the hoax theory (and hence sites like this) I have learned a lot of interesting technical stuff about rocket science. But more importantly I've rekindled my passion and admiration for the folk that went to the moon. I respect them a lot more than internet HBs who refuse to accept the evidence. Truth seekers? My arse. This is also true for me. Before my interest in odd thinking and behavior brought me to the old BABB and then here, I didn't think much about Apollo. It was a part of my childhood but I had little reason to invest time in learning more, beyond the occasional visit to the Johnson Space Center where the Saturn 5 is on display. The question and answer aspect of dealing with hoax believers has taught me a world of cool information about rocket science. I'm visiting Johnson in September when I am in the US on Business. I can't wait.
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Post by fiveonit on Aug 23, 2010 10:51:46 GMT -4
... wouldn't come up with another round of stupid claims to "explain" what they see? The Descent Stage of the LM was probably put there by the same robotic spaceships that collected the rocks Exactly! Before the LRO took pictures of the landing sites, a lot of Apollo supporters were saying, "Once they get shots of the landing sites, it will all be over!" I tried telling people, "Why? Hoaxers are just going to say those are fake as well!" Well..... Wouldn't ya know it??? The hoax claims will never go away. It's a way for ignorant and paranoid people to think, "Maybe you have a college degree, but I'm still a lot less dumber than you is because I figured out the big lie!"
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Post by AtomicDog on Aug 23, 2010 11:03:46 GMT -4
Actually, I remember page after page of HBs saying that they would believe LRO photos when they became available. I knew better.
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Post by Bob B. on Aug 23, 2010 11:40:29 GMT -4
Actually, I remember page after page of HBs saying that they would believe LRO photos when they became available. I knew better. The HBs always say they will accept as proof something they know you can't provide. Back before LRO photos were available, it was in vogue to claim they'd be convinced by images of the Apollo artifacts. Now that we have such photos, the HBs immediately raised the bar to something higher (showing their true colors). Saying there is "something" out there that will convince them is their way of creating a facade of open-mindedness, while in reality they have no intention of ever changing their minds.
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Post by Jason Thompson on Aug 23, 2010 12:14:23 GMT -4
You could take some of these people to the Moon and show them the hardware and they'd say it was put there remotely, including a big stomping robot to make the footprints. You could invent a time machine and take them back to 1969 and let them watch it all live and they'd say it was staged. You could take the in the TARDIS and have it follow the spacecraft to the Moon and land behind a mound and have them on the surface watching the events taking place in front of their eyes and they'd make up something about alternative realities and we'd have to prove that Apollo was real in every universe, I'm sure!
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Post by LunarOrbit on Aug 23, 2010 12:26:00 GMT -4
Here are some more excuses HBs would use if you brought them to the moon:
- They are actually in some sort of virtual reality simulation like Star Trek's holodeck. Just because such a thing doesn't exist won't deter them, they will just say the government has secretly had the technology for decades.
- The whole thing is just an artificial memory implant like in Total Recall.
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Post by dwight on Aug 23, 2010 12:47:44 GMT -4
You should have seen the song and dance our mutual buddy Jarrah performed when I pointed out that HBers had said that such images as LRO provided would convince them. In his usual sh*t research skill, he neglected to realise a thread providing statement aftert statement existed of such statements existed. He did his usual disappearing act after the second page of page of quotes backing my statement up was posted. Here you can see his selective readsing first hand. www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=h0xJhNFLdNgYou will need to go back 11 months though...
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Post by Jason on Aug 23, 2010 13:42:14 GMT -4
Routine travel to the moon with people actually living there would at least prove to most that it's not impossible to get there, but there would probably still be people who didn't believe that Apollo got there.
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Post by blackstar on Aug 23, 2010 14:31:10 GMT -4
Well if you flew the HB's to the moon they have a very simple get out clause; 'Sure you can do it NOW but it couldn't be done THEN' and carry on with the old lines about radiation, computers, etc.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Aug 23, 2010 15:10:53 GMT -4
Here are some more excuses HBs would use if you brought them to the moon: - They are actually in some sort of virtual reality simulation like Star Trek's holodeck. Just because such a thing doesn't exist won't deter them, they will just say the government has secretly had the technology for decades. - The whole thing is just an artificial memory implant like in Total Recall. Yeah, that's right, I'm quoting myself. If we brought a HB to the moon and they used either of those two excuses we could just say "Well, if you're so sure that this isn't real, why don't you take off your helmet?" Maybe then they would put some thought into just how plausible their theory is.
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Post by ka9q on Aug 23, 2010 16:11:30 GMT -4
The Descent Stage of the LM was probably put there by the same robotic spaceships that collected the rocks The really odd thing about many HBers is that they're prepared to accept that NASA had a robotic lunar capability by the late 1960s. And some even think NASA had a much better robotic capability than they really did, and this capability was used to plant artifacts, collect rocks, etc. The odd thing about all this to an engineer like myself is that we engineers know it's a lot harder to construct machines to do these sorts of things than to just send a human to do it all manually. There's something about the human element -- a man on the moon, not a machine -- that hits a mental brick wall with the HBers. NASA had the power to do anything -- land machines, manage a massive conspiracy -- except for one thing: landing men on the moon.
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Post by BertL on Aug 23, 2010 16:16:05 GMT -4
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