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Post by tedward on Aug 24, 2010 2:39:49 GMT -4
I think that some people would not believe it if you took them ether and bobbed their heads on the landing legs. Me, me, me, me. Please take me! I volunteer in going to the moon to get my head bobbed on the landing legs. OK, cover your ears whilst I light the blue touch paper......
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Post by ka9q on Aug 24, 2010 9:01:07 GMT -4
The hoax claims will never go away. It's a way for ignorant and paranoid people to think, "Maybe you have a college degree, but I'm still a lot less dumber than you is because I figured out the big lie!" Indeed. I see Apollo Denial as just another manifestation of modern anti-intellectualism. The Apollo program is still a major symbol of scientific and technological achievement. It really excited most people, technically oriented or not -- that was what JFK was after -- but it seems to scare a few. And I guess one way to make it a little less scary is to pretend that it never happened in the first place.
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Post by ineluki on Aug 24, 2010 9:21:44 GMT -4
The really odd thing about many HBers is that they're prepared to accept that NASA had a robotic lunar capability by the late 1960s. I think it is not really a matter of accepting it. IMHO most HBs don't think about the requirements for their claims and they also don't think about any consequences. And if they do, they just expand the conspiracy until everything that doesn't fit their worldview is part of the coverup.
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Post by ka9q on Aug 24, 2010 10:45:51 GMT -4
Well, I didn't mean to say that all HBers accept that NASA had a robotic lunar capability. Apollo denial theories are nothing if not, well, diversified.
But it's fairly common to see them relent and fall back to the "yes, okay, at least they could fly robots" position when you push them really hard to explain laser returns from Apollo retroreflectors and independent observations of Apollo radio signals from the vicinity of the moon.
It may come only after a lot of comical handwaving and backpedaling, but you'll know when it happens.
Suddenly, the artificial laser reflectors whose existence was never proven by the ultra-narrow return pulses regularly seen when lasers are pointed precisely at the Apollo 11, 14 and 15 sites...
...well, gosh, maybe those reflectors really are up there after all -- but of course you can't prove they weren't actually set up by three more Russian Lunokhods they never told us about...!
And suddenly, after all the handwringing about how the Soviets, able to build and launch their own rockets toward the moon but so amazingly clueless about the principles of the parabolic dish that they were forced to rely on the British to receive anything back from all those moon-bound spacecraft....
And suddenly, after an Australian radio telescope 100% owned and operated by Australians still didn't count as independent third party verification of Apollo lunar signals because NASA occasionally contracts for the use of said telescope....
...we are treated to a thoroughly enjoyable Rube Goldberg-ish sketch of an elaborate network of earth and lunar-orbiting robotic radio relay craft, with a complexity well beyond the TDRSS constellation not begun until the 1980s, was launched in the Apollo days for the sole purpose of creating decoy radio signals from the moon for any international radio observatory (or radio ham) who just might want to listen in.
Like I said, they don't seem to mind positing an amazingly advanced robotic lunar capability whenever it seems necessary to hold off on admitting to the reality of the Apollo missions for just one more day...
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Post by homobibiens on Sept 8, 2010 10:05:48 GMT -4
Show them this link, maybe they will believe people have been to the moon then.
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Post by drewid on Sept 8, 2010 12:12:59 GMT -4
Arrrggh, my brain.
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Post by chew on Sept 8, 2010 13:44:29 GMT -4
Show them this link, maybe they will believe people have been to the moon then. Don't ever do that again!
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Post by homobibiens on Sept 8, 2010 19:39:52 GMT -4
There appear to be several different versions. This one has user comments. I wonder which one of these conflicting versions is really true? Don't ever do that again! Sorry.
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Post by captain swoop on Sept 10, 2010 14:40:24 GMT -4
lol
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Post by bazbear on Sept 19, 2010 0:22:51 GMT -4
In my opinion, the only way the moon hoax theory will totally die is if a telescope is invented that allows people to view the landing sites right here from earth. Yes, there is the LRRR, but it (and some of the lasers used) belong to the government, so theorists can explain it away, saying the government fakes it. The lasers that aren't owned by the government could be said to be paid off by the feds. So I think the only cure will be if people are able to see the sites with their own two eyes. Anyone else agree? I have to say that I did contemplate trying to build a telescope powerful enough to see the sites, but when I started to research I realized it would have to be absolutely huge. So big, in fact, that it's nearly impossible to build such a telescope. Maybe in the future some technology will come along so we can see the landing sites right here from earth. While you have a noble idea, I disagree that it would kill the hoax theory. While the imagery might persuade some or many borderline HBs, I suspect the hardcore HB element (including the charlatan types) would still say it was a hoax even if you gave them a free ride to the moon, including a tour of the Apollo landing sites.
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Post by bazbear on Sept 19, 2010 0:30:47 GMT -4
Here are some more excuses HBs would use if you brought them to the moon: - They are actually in some sort of virtual reality simulation like Star Trek's holodeck. Just because such a thing doesn't exist won't deter them, they will just say the government has secretly had the technology for decades. - The whole thing is just an artificial memory implant like in Total Recall. Yeah, that's right, I'm quoting myself. If we brought a HB to the moon and they used either of those two excuses we could just say "Well, if you're so sure that this isn't real, why don't you take off your helmet?" Maybe then they would put some thought into just how plausible their theory is. "Oh no way! I'm not taking off my helmet in this vacuum chamber with the anti-gravity flux generator set to 1/6 G!"
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 19, 2010 4:50:31 GMT -4
Well then just head back to the Ascent Module and tell them that they are free to find the air-lock and head home whenever they wanted.
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