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Post by nomuse on Sept 29, 2010 1:20:06 GMT -4
Every now and then the hoax believers come up with something original. I am a bit reluctant to detail the claim one of them waved at me over at Godlike Productions, but it is so wacky I think it deserves sharing.
According to the claimant, the Apollo missions were obviously fake because the astronauts were claimed to, and were in fact shown in video, as having changed out of their pressure suits for the four-day journey to the Moon.
First off, he doesn't think there is room to change.
But mostly, this hoax believer notes that, because there was no bathroom in the CM -- aka, he can't find a small room with a clearly marked door in any section or plan he's looked at -- they would have had to go in their suits. So there was no reason to ever take them off.
The mind reels. ("Reeks" is another word that springs to mind. Waste management was bad enough the way they actually did it, but spending weeks in a diaper, in a suit? Ewwwwwww.)
On the same thread, we've also been exposed to the idea that space outside the VAB is more radioactive than in the thick of the belts, that the Air Force planned to nuke the belts to disperse them (too much Irwin Allen maybe?) and that the belts protect us here on Earth from meteors.
Yowie.
(I know, is better if they come here to talk. Which is why I intend no arguments, no rebuttals, just a sharing of....boy howdy do they get weird sometimes.)
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Post by gillianren on Sept 29, 2010 1:55:12 GMT -4
Wouldn't that be weeks in the same diaper, if you think about it?
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Post by tedward on Sept 29, 2010 3:01:34 GMT -4
Pretty sure one of the memoirs I have read describes the atmosphere as a bit "fruity" on landing (my term). Even with the way they did it. Meaning not your CT chum's version. (chum as a jocular term not serious).
I have heard about the nuking of belts before but cannot remember where.
Edit. Just trying to remember the way this was described and think the crew wondered if others might wiff it as they had been living it and used to it? Or did I dream it...
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Post by supermeerkat on Sept 29, 2010 4:39:53 GMT -4
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Post by Daggerstab on Sept 29, 2010 9:04:52 GMT -4
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Post by echnaton on Sept 29, 2010 9:31:04 GMT -4
Each time I visit GLP, I am amazed that I can be so amazed that a forum thread that can pick up 15 pages of nearly complete nonsense in 3 days.
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Post by supermeerkat on Sept 29, 2010 9:39:43 GMT -4
The stupid in that thread is astonishing.
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Post by laurel on Sept 29, 2010 10:13:15 GMT -4
Pretty sure one of the memoirs I have read describes the atmosphere as a bit "fruity" on landing (my term). Even with the way they did it. Meaning not your CT chum's version. (chum as a jocular term not serious). I have heard about the nuking of belts before but cannot remember where. Edit. Just trying to remember the way this was described and think the crew wondered if others might wiff it as they had been living it and used to it? Or did I dream it... "Fruity"? Well, Michael Collins said on page 444 of Carrying The Fire, "It seems degrading for Columbia to reach this smelly-old-man stage; I prefer to think of it as a ripe mango ready to fall from the tree." Also in the first chapter of Liftoff, he says that when the Apollo 11 crew was removing their suits, they were "thrashing around like three albino whales in a small tank." There was room to change, but obviously not very much room.
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Post by gwiz on Sept 29, 2010 11:22:35 GMT -4
First off, he doesn't think there is room to change. How much room does he think is necessary? They removed their suits in Gemini 7, and I can tell you from personal experience of the ground trainers that Gemini was pretty cramped compared with really a lot of room in Apollo. Difference between the front seat of a car and a room in a caravan.
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Post by Bob B. on Sept 29, 2010 11:47:54 GMT -4
They removed their suits in Gemini 7... The Gemini 7 spacesuits were specially designed soft suits. All the other Gemini missions kept their suits on because of the cramped quarters. As a side note, The USAF Museum has a Gemini capsule built for the canceled Manned Orbital Laboratory. It has a hatch built into the heat shield that would have allowed the astronauts to pass through a tunnel into the MOL. When I look at it I think NASA would have had to hire a couple contortionist astronauts to crawl through that thing. It would certainly be easier in zero-g, but if I had to try it in Earth gravity I'd probably hurt myself. By the way, the Apollo command module had a habitable volume of 6.17 square cubic meters. That's the equivalent of a 6 foot X 6 foot X 6 foot cube. Not a lot of room but certainly enough to doff a spacesuit.
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Post by chew on Sept 29, 2010 11:47:57 GMT -4
The dumdest claim I've seen was the yahoo who said, "Look at the spacecraft that landed on the Moon and look at the spacecraft they returned in. They don't look anything alike, therefore the landings were faked!"
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Post by theteacher on Sept 29, 2010 12:18:38 GMT -4
They removed their suits in Gemini 7... By the way, the Apollo command module had a habitable volume of 6.17 square meters. That's the equivalent of a 6 foot X 6 foot X 6 foot cube. Not a lot of room but certainly enough to doff a spacesuit. You probably meant 6,17 cubic meters?
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Post by gillianren on Sept 29, 2010 12:24:51 GMT -4
The decimal convention is different in different places. 6.17 is a valid use in some countries, including (I think) all English-speaking ones.
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Post by randombloke on Sept 29, 2010 12:30:13 GMT -4
I'm more concerned that the astronauts were apparently two dimensional; squares and cubes are significantly different in any language.
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Post by gillianren on Sept 29, 2010 13:24:41 GMT -4
Actually, I didn't even notice that. The comma thing is so odd to me (on grammatical reasons, if you're interested) that it's what caught my eye. Well spotted on that aspect.
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