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Post by theteacher on Nov 8, 2010 14:48:47 GMT -4
I'll bet inquisitivemind does not know anything beyond common knowledge about tidal forces. He didn't even look it up when I specifically asked him if he knew what tidal locking is. If one could get into a conversation with him about that so to speak "uncontaminated" phenomenon and make him understand and accept it's validity without discussing his general beliefs, he would then have to accept, that there is a contradiction between what is a law of nature and what he believes. That was my idea, but never mind. The issue is that he quite obviously thinks he knows more than he does. When he doesn't know what you're talking about, he blusters through it or else ignores it. It's been explained several places where the laws of nature differ from what he believes, but he concludes that the people explaining that are the ones who don't understand the laws of nature. That's the thing. He'd have to trust anyone here a lick in order for education to progress. Yes, trust is the pivot. |
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Post by echnaton on Nov 8, 2010 15:32:18 GMT -4
The issue is that he quite obviously thinks he knows more than he does. When he doesn't know what you're talking about, he blusters through it or else ignores it. It's been explained several places where the laws of nature differ from what he believes, but he concludes that the people explaining that are the ones who don't understand the laws of nature. That's the thing. He'd have to trust anyone here a lick in order for education to progress. That is an accurate description of someone who is delusional. |
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Nov 8, 2010 15:40:09 GMT -4
I'm dealing with that exact thing over and over at Delusional Idiots Forum. I've just explained the sublimation cooling for the PLSS for the 3rd or 4th time just in one thread, along with the silver/zinc batteries.
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Post by lukepemberton on Nov 8, 2010 15:45:29 GMT -4
That is an accurate description of someone who is delusional.
That sums up some of the hard core theorists in a nut shell. My sister in law does not believe it, but only because she can't grasp that someone could go that far and come back. I guess there are those that are unsure, those that are skeptical, and then the real out on the limb delusional types. No matter what you tell the latter, and how many times you tell them, they simply won't buy it. Their knowledge and mental pitcures have already made up their mind for them.
The blast crater is a classic example of how HB's conjure up a mental picture of how something should be and then place their whole belief on it. 2-4-6 trinitrotoluene can't shift that belief.
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Post by echnaton on Nov 8, 2010 16:01:49 GMT -4
That is an accurate description of someone who is delusional.That sums up some of the hard core theorists in a nut shell. My sister in law does not believe it, but only because she can't grasp that someone could go that far and come back. I guess there are those that are unsure, those that are skeptical, and then the real out on the limb delusional types. No matter what you tell the latter, and how many times you tell them, they simply won't buy it. Their knowledge and mental pitcures have already made up their mind for them. The blast crater is a classic example of how HB's conjure up a mental picture of how something should be and then place their whole belief on it. 2-4-6 trinitrotoluene can't shift that belief. I agree that there are differences between those who simply can't grasp something, either emotionally or intellectually, and those like IM that maintain a false stance in the face of all reality. With your sister in law, I hope you can just avoid the subject. |
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Post by lukepemberton on Nov 8, 2010 16:17:53 GMT -4
That is an accurate description of someone who is delusional.That sums up some of the hard core theorists in a nut shell. My sister in law does not believe it, but only because she can't grasp that someone could go that far and come back. I guess there are those that are unsure, those that are skeptical, and then the real out on the limb delusional types. No matter what you tell the latter, and how many times you tell them, they simply won't buy it. Their knowledge and mental pitcures have already made up their mind for them. The blast crater is a classic example of how HB's conjure up a mental picture of how something should be and then place their whole belief on it. 2-4-6 trinitrotoluene can't shift that belief. I agree that there are differences between those who simply can't grasp something, either emotionally or intellectually, and those like IM that maintain a false stance in the face of all reality. With your sister in law, I hope you can just avoid the subject. My sister in law and I laugh about it. When she tells me she does not believe it I start asking why with a huge smile on my face. She thinks that it is my 'You know something and are hiding it smile', when in fact I find it funny that she can't believe it. She's quite eloquent and well versed. I guess there are geunine skeptics, and that I have no issue with. It's the rabid die in the ditch 'twoofer' who turns it into a personal battle that I have issues with, often mixing their anti-government agenda with denigrating a great achievement. Often with a sprinkling of pseudo-clap-trap. I don't react well to them. I played rugby up until I was 33 and I don't tend to back down from an argument. |
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Post by gillianren on Nov 8, 2010 16:48:23 GMT -4
That is an accurate description of someone who is delusional. No, someone delusional would believe the laws of nature are wrong. |
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Post by lukepemberton on Nov 8, 2010 17:47:13 GMT -4
That is an accurate description of someone who is delusional. No, someone delusional would believe the laws of nature are wrong. As in Coulomb's law being wrong, or Newton's law of gravitation? |
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Post by echnaton on Nov 8, 2010 19:10:14 GMT -4
That is an accurate description of someone who is delusional. No, someone delusional would believe the laws of nature are wrong. A pretty apt description of IM. |
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Post by gillianren on Nov 8, 2010 19:19:55 GMT -4
As in Coulomb's law being wrong, or Newton's law of gravitation? English major speaking here, so I can't speak to the former. But in the case of the latter, isn't it that they're incomplete, not wrong? I mean, it's my understanding that Apollo mostly relied on Newtonian physics. |
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Post by slang on Nov 8, 2010 20:34:33 GMT -4
"And y'know what Hell is, folks? It's Andy Gibb... singing Shadow Dancing... for eons and eons!" -Denis Leary "Hell is disco people" - Jean Paul Satire. |
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Post by theteacher on Nov 9, 2010 3:36:54 GMT -4
No, someone delusional would believe the laws of nature are wrong. A pretty apt description of IM. That has yet to be exposed. So far I think he accepts the validity of the laws of nature as he understands them. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 9, 2010 3:58:43 GMT -4
I agree that there are differences between those who simply can't grasp something, either emotionally or intellectually, and those like IM that maintain a false stance in the face of all reality. With your sister in law, I hope you can just avoid the subject. My sister in law and I laugh about it. When she tells me she does not believe it I start asking why with a huge smile on my face. She thinks that it is my 'You know something and are hiding it smile', when in fact I find it funny that she can't believe it. She's quite eloquent and well versed. I guess there are geunine skeptics, and that I have no issue with. It's the rabid die in the ditch 'twoofer' who turns it into a personal battle that I have issues with, often mixing their anti-government agenda with denigrating a great achievement. Often with a sprinkling of pseudo-clap-trap. I don't react well to them. I played rugby up until I was 33 and I don't tend to back down from an argument. Sounds like my workmate. She "doesn't" believe because it'd be cool if she was right and everyone else was wrong. Even though she knows the evidence doesn't support it, she just can't let go of that. |
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Post by echnaton on Nov 9, 2010 8:23:12 GMT -4
A pretty apt description of IM. That has yet to be exposed. So far I think he accepts the validity of the laws of nature as he understands them. What would the opposite of that be? That he rejects the laws of nature as he understands them? He clearly rejects certain laws of nature as they are, claims a set of beliefs that are counter to those laws, claims he has the backing of educators, and resists and dismisses all education to the contrary. One can put various names on that, but I say he has a persistent false belief that he holds in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is wrong, ergo a delusion. |
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Post by theteacher on Nov 9, 2010 11:39:22 GMT -4
That has yet to be exposed. So far I think he accepts the validity of the laws of nature as he understands them. What would the opposite of that be? That he rejects the laws of nature as he understands them? Would it be better if he accepted the laws, as he doesn't understand them? :-) Which specific law has he rejected? Yes. He was daydreaming during lessons and didn't do his homework. Selective and distorted memory :-) Lessons are two long and concentrated and the teachers are too well educated and impatient. Some of them are not nice. I'm with you on that one. |
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