Post by Kiwi on Oct 4, 2005 6:27:11 GMT -4
I'm not confident that the use of the same location to portray events on two different days is an error by A-V Corporation, the producers of "Apollo 16: Nothing So Hidden", NASA film No. HQ 222.
After studying most of the NASA moonlanding films and noting how they were put together, I feel that different views of the same scene (the first with only one astronaut who is taking photos, the second with the two astronauts moving toward the rover) were deliberately used, but were intended as an illustration only and not to be taken as an accurate portrayal of actual places and events. Research (and probably experience of those in the trade, which I don't have) shows that there is nothing at all unusual about this.
A comparison between the Spacecraft Films' Apollo 17 DVDs and the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal shows that there are many times throughout the A-V Corporation films when film was used out of sequence and when the dialogue is different to what was actually spoken at the time. In both the Apollo 15 and Apollo 16 movies, 16mm film taken from the rover is shown at different times and EVAs, but I suspect that it was actually taken at almost the same time on one EVA.
For those who wish to view the two scenes in the 28 minute 6 second version of the film, "Apollo 16: Nothing So Hidden", the first runs from 0:13:52 to 0:14:04 and the second from 0:16:58 to 0:17:21, as measured from the beginning of the film.
This film is currently on sale on disc 3 of a four-DVD set called "The American Space Odyssey." I bought my set recently for NZ$40, but to me it seems ridiculously overpriced at £40 on a British website. Some of the films in the set are unrestored from poor-quality, faded copies of the originals, which are copyright free. On this disc the scenes start at 0:46:36 and 0:49:42. The film itself starts at 0:32:44.
In the 16 minute 48 second version, these times are 0:05:08 to 0:05:19 and 0:08:14 to 0:08:36.
The dialogue in the longer film is as follows:
First scene
0:13:52 # GET 123:58:46 Young: "Couldn't pick a better spot."
0:13:56 # GET 124:03:01 Duke: "John, you are just beautiful. That is the most beautiful sight."
0:13:59 # GET 124:03:07 Young: "What's that?"
0:14:00 # GET 124:03:08 Duke: "You standing there on the rim of that crater."
0:14:04 # End
Second scene
0:16:58 # GET 144:16:27 Duke: "Wow! What a place! What a view, isn't it, John?"
0:17:01 # GET 144:16:30 Young: "It's absolutely unreal."
0:17:06 # GET 144:16:34 Duke: "We've really come up here, Tony. It's just spectacular. Gosh, I have never seen... All I can say is 'spectacular', and I know y'all are sick of that word, but my vocabulary is so limited."
0:17:21 # End
Unfortunately. They left out Capcom Tony England's delightful reply:
144:16:50 England: "We're darn near speechless down here..."
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After studying most of the NASA moonlanding films and noting how they were put together, I feel that different views of the same scene (the first with only one astronaut who is taking photos, the second with the two astronauts moving toward the rover) were deliberately used, but were intended as an illustration only and not to be taken as an accurate portrayal of actual places and events. Research (and probably experience of those in the trade, which I don't have) shows that there is nothing at all unusual about this.
A comparison between the Spacecraft Films' Apollo 17 DVDs and the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal shows that there are many times throughout the A-V Corporation films when film was used out of sequence and when the dialogue is different to what was actually spoken at the time. In both the Apollo 15 and Apollo 16 movies, 16mm film taken from the rover is shown at different times and EVAs, but I suspect that it was actually taken at almost the same time on one EVA.
For those who wish to view the two scenes in the 28 minute 6 second version of the film, "Apollo 16: Nothing So Hidden", the first runs from 0:13:52 to 0:14:04 and the second from 0:16:58 to 0:17:21, as measured from the beginning of the film.
This film is currently on sale on disc 3 of a four-DVD set called "The American Space Odyssey." I bought my set recently for NZ$40, but to me it seems ridiculously overpriced at £40 on a British website. Some of the films in the set are unrestored from poor-quality, faded copies of the originals, which are copyright free. On this disc the scenes start at 0:46:36 and 0:49:42. The film itself starts at 0:32:44.
In the 16 minute 48 second version, these times are 0:05:08 to 0:05:19 and 0:08:14 to 0:08:36.
The dialogue in the longer film is as follows:
First scene
0:13:52 # GET 123:58:46 Young: "Couldn't pick a better spot."
0:13:56 # GET 124:03:01 Duke: "John, you are just beautiful. That is the most beautiful sight."
0:13:59 # GET 124:03:07 Young: "What's that?"
0:14:00 # GET 124:03:08 Duke: "You standing there on the rim of that crater."
0:14:04 # End
Second scene
0:16:58 # GET 144:16:27 Duke: "Wow! What a place! What a view, isn't it, John?"
0:17:01 # GET 144:16:30 Young: "It's absolutely unreal."
0:17:06 # GET 144:16:34 Duke: "We've really come up here, Tony. It's just spectacular. Gosh, I have never seen... All I can say is 'spectacular', and I know y'all are sick of that word, but my vocabulary is so limited."
0:17:21 # End
Unfortunately. They left out Capcom Tony England's delightful reply:
144:16:50 England: "We're darn near speechless down here..."
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