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Post by dwight on Jan 23, 2012 22:17:34 GMT -4
What else should we expect from a sock puppet? I was actually hoping for a Muppet-Show style song and dance number, but that requires talent... |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 24, 2012 1:03:42 GMT -4
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Post by twik on Jan 25, 2012 1:03:31 GMT -4
You go first then. On your list, the top contradiction is? When interviewed in 1970 Armstrong said he was certain there would be moon bases established in his lifetime. If that is not a contradiction and moreover a joke of a statement, I do not know what is. Well, I'd say that you do not know what a contradiction is. Armstrong's statement is a failed prediction, not a contradiction. People are not expected to have a 100% certain sight of the future. If a baseball coach says at the start of the season, "I think we'll go all the way this season," then half his starters get injured, and they end up in the cellar, that is not a contradiction. It was a prediction of probability that didn't pan out. Come on, you *must* have something better than this! What is your non-contradicted, fully explained story of how they pulled off the hoax? |
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Post by Count Zero on Jan 25, 2012 3:19:05 GMT -4
That was pathetic even by conspiretard standards.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 25, 2012 19:08:00 GMT -4
Don't know if it's been posted, but for forthethrillofital, here's a real contradiction.
1) NASA faked Apollo over concern for the safety of the Astronauts lives.
2) NASA had anyone that might have been going to leak the details of the hoax murdered, including Astronuats Theodore Freeman, Elliot See, Charles Basset, Clifford C. Wiliams, Edward White, Rodger Chaffee, Gus Grissom, and Edward Givens.
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Post by forthethrillofital on Jan 28, 2012 18:08:11 GMT -4
Don't know if it's been posted, but for forthethrillofital, here's a real contradiction. 1) NASA faked Apollo over concern for the safety of the Astronauts lives. 2) NASA had anyone that might have been going to leak the details of the hoax murdered, including Astronuats Theodore Freeman, Elliot See, Charles Basset, Clifford C. Wiliams, Edward White, Rodger Chaffee, Gus Grissom, and Edward Givens. I do not understand your point. I would think the astronaut deaths here are real deaths. These were real accidents. Because this is a hoax does not mean people cannot die in the effort. Perhaps even more people died legitimate deaths in carrying out this hoax. They died in the line of hoax duty. Of course they would not be murdered. That does not make sense. |
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Post by laurel on Jan 28, 2012 18:13:58 GMT -4
Grissom, White and Chaffee died during a test of the Apollo Command Module. If the Apollo program was a hoax and the Apollo hardware wouldn't be making any actual flights, why did NASA have to test it in the first place? Please explain.
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Post by Bob B. on Jan 29, 2012 0:16:29 GMT -4
Of course they would not be murdered. That does not make sense. But many of the people who promote the hoax claim they were murdered, such as the late Bill Kaysing. Thus the contradiction. The only contradictions that I have been able to find are with the official story. See the above. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 29, 2012 16:02:43 GMT -4
I do not understand your point. I would think the astronaut deaths here are real deaths. These were real accidents. Because this is a hoax does not mean people cannot die in the effort. Perhaps even more people died legitimate deaths in carrying out this hoax. They died in the line of hoax duty. Of course they would not be murdered. That does not make sense. No it doesn't make sense, and yet it is a prime arguement of many Hoax Believers, just type the following into Google: "Murdered Astronauts" |
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Post by forthethrillofital on Feb 2, 2012 18:56:06 GMT -4
I do not understand your point. I would think the astronaut deaths here are real deaths. These were real accidents. Because this is a hoax does not mean people cannot die in the effort. Perhaps even more people died legitimate deaths in carrying out this hoax. They died in the line of hoax duty. Of course they would not be murdered. That does not make sense. No it doesn't make sense, and yet it is a prime arguement of many Hoax Believers, just type the following into Google: "Murdered Astronauts" It would not be a prime argument of mine. I imagine there would be great risk associated with a hoax. Not as much as an actual moon launch but there would still be great risk. I could see a hoax enthusiast making the suggestion that deaths themselves were hoaxed. This might make a hoax more believable. |
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Post by Data Cable on Feb 2, 2012 19:59:09 GMT -4
I imagine there would be great risk associated with a hoax. Not as much as an actual moon launch but there would still be great risk. Elaborate on these risks, as you see them. How do you know they weren't? |
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Post by nomuse on Feb 3, 2012 14:55:34 GMT -4
There's a risk? What; you might stub your toe on a plaster model? You might cut a finger while preparing faked audio tapes?
Any risk, and whether it is a contradiction, depends on the scale and method of your hoax. Did they divert most of the money to secret military projects and throw an LM model together out of cardboard to film in some hanger in Utah (that's what Kaysing is basically claiming)?
Or are we hoaxing at an entirely different end of the scale; did those astronauts die in laser battles on the surface of the moon as aliens tried to swarm the sprawling base first established by Nazi UFO's?
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Post by twik on Feb 5, 2012 3:01:16 GMT -4
It would not be a prime argument of mine. I imagine there would be great risk associated with a hoax. Not as much as an actual moon launch but there would still be great risk. I could see a hoax enthusiast making the suggestion that deaths themselves were hoaxed. This might make a hoax more believable. A lovely example of a hoax contradiction. (1) They had to do a hoax, because the publicity damage of having astronauts die during the attempt was too high. (2) They hoaxed deaths to make the attempt look more believable. |
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Post by forthethrillofital on Feb 6, 2012 16:25:29 GMT -4
It would not be a prime argument of mine. I imagine there would be great risk associated with a hoax. Not as much as an actual moon launch but there would still be great risk. I could see a hoax enthusiast making the suggestion that deaths themselves were hoaxed. This might make a hoax more believable. A lovely example of a hoax contradiction. (1) They had to do a hoax, because the publicity damage of having astronauts die during the attempt was too high. (2) They hoaxed deaths to make the attempt look more believable. I don't see it that way at all. I am not familiar in any detail with the lives of the astronauts but I understand most were family men. Hoaxing deaths would therefore be something the astronauts would be expected to oppose fairly strongly. But if there were a strong enough rationale for hoaxing then astronauts being military men might go along. Perhaps they only hoaxed the Apollo 1 deaths. Admittedly this seems unlikely. On the other hand it would go a long way to convince many people that the program was "authentic" to use a term the OP seems to be fond of. Hoaxing a moon landing to cover up for deaths does not seem to me to be be correct. The deaths are real in the setting of a hoax. Or it is possible the deaths were hoaxed to make things all the more poignant. Hoaxing because accidental deaths occurred makes no sense. |
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Post by laurel on Feb 6, 2012 17:05:03 GMT -4
Are you aware that the Apollo 1 deaths resulted in bad publicity and a Congressional investigation? Why would the people involved in a faked program want to attract this kind of attention by hoaxing deaths? This makes no sense to me.
You also neglected to answer my question in post 471.
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