The Smoking Gun of Bart's "Smoking Gun" Footage

[dwight]

Starndard NTSC video camera contrast ratio is approximately 100:1. The lux reading of the earth in the above video would require an f-stop of f22. That means with such a rotten ratio as video gives us, things as half as bright as the earth would already appear black. There is no way, that is absolutely _NO_ way to differentiate between the blackness of space and the darkened cabin interior. That is a fundamental basic of video technology. I would venture to say the Westinghouse camera had somewhere between 60 and 80:1 contrast ratio (dont have the paperwork in front of me) meaning blacks merge together all the quicker.

A common recommendation with video video shoots, and this is stated in every production and video camera handbook, is to do outside shoots on an overcast day. In fact call up a TV studio, or production facility and ask them if this is the case with standard analogue video. These days CCD technology has improved greatly, but upto the mid 80's it was the standard rule.

Given the earth is extremely bright, the cabin is darkened, and the space is black, and given that the camera contrast ratio is 100:1; if the camera's aperture is set for correct exposure of earth, then we expect all surrounding objects to be 0% black (10% if using NTSC and you can verify this by viewing the video on a waveform monitor - the earth will not peak above 110%). No ifs or buts, that is the way the technology works, and I am being generous with the 100:1 figure.

[turbonium]

This is the segment in question....



About 20 seconds later, we hear (as kiwi posted)....

0:54:13 Houston (Duke): Apollo 11, Houston. It appears to us that we're seeing a view from outside plus a little of the inside. It appears you've taken the camera away from the left window now. Over.

The circular object being manipulated in front of the Earth conforms in size and shape to exactly "ring" the outside edge of Earth. That means the entire blackened area must be inside the CM.



If we assume the window is actually larger, as roughly circled in white below, for example....



...we can see it's not logical that the "O-Ring" object would be manipulated around the Earth's outline exactly.as we see. If this was some loose wire, for example, it would not be curved to the exact shape of the Earth's outline as it is manipulated around.

[gwiz]

O-ring? What O-ring? All I see is something, perhaps a cable, crossing in front of the earth's image and dividing it into two, then later blocking it all together. No evidence of an O-ring.

[Kiwi]

Does anyone else here have a clue what Turbonium is talking about? I'm lost!

What O-Ring? What exactly is "being manipulated?" All I see when I watch the TV transmission is a camera being drawn back inside, away from the window, and reconfigured to show the view inside the command module.

Turbonium, what does this have to do with your original picture in post 95? Have you noted the window frame PhantomWolf posted in No. 100? Does Bart BS show you that? Have you seen all the footage that shows the earth large on the screen, then the camera is zoomed back so that the earth is small, and as the camera is moved around inside the CM, back from the window, the small earth disappears behind different parts of the window frame and reappears behind other parts? Does Bart show you the part where the window is clearly visible and the aperture on the camera opened wide, so that it appears quite bright?

I can't escape the feeling that we might have a more productive discussion about the colour of LunarOrbit's socks.

[PhantomWolf]

what a load of bollaks.

Below is a capture showing them manipulating a bracket or some other object that exactly frames the Earth...

Balloney. This is taken after Armstong moves back, the obstruction in front the Earth is likely the camera cable that is floating in the cabin where Armstrong just moved from.

You also conveniently fail to notice that the Earth spends most of it's time being clipped by the window frame while the camera is across the capsule.




No answer to the images taken during the second video either I see. I guess if you ignore it it doesn't exist right?

[PhantomWolf]

By the way, this is what it looks like with the camera settings for interior lights, gee where's the window compared to the light.

[Kiwi]

Turbonium, have you used the information I provided in the thread
Apollo 11: Transcription of TV transmissions
apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=apollo&action=display&thread=1120036997&page=1#1120036997
and made up a list of the proper dialogue and camera movements as follows? How does this compare with what BS provides?

Camera movements are in bold.

0:49:06 # Collins: Okay, world, hold on to your hat. I'm going to turn you upside-down.
0:49:06 # Camera rotates approximately 180 degrees, keeping Earth on screen.
***
0:49:35 # Houston (Duke): 11, that's a pretty good roll there.
0:49:47 # Collins: Oh, I'd say sloppy, Charlie. Let me try that one again.
0:49:53 # Camera continues rotating.
0:49:57 # Houston (Duke): You'll never beat out the Thunderbirds.
***
0:50:22 # Houston (Duke): Apollo 11, Houston. That practice did you some good. It's looking real smooth roll, there.
0:50:28 # Collins: Oops.
0:50:29 # Houston (Duke): Spoke too soon.
0:50:37 # Collins: I'm making myself seasick, Charlie, I'll just put you back right-side-up where you belong.
0:50:42 # Houston (Duke): Roger.
0:50:46 # Collins: You don't get to do that everyday.
0:50:57 # Houston (Duke): 11, Houston. Could you describe, from your view, the polar cloud cap. It appears to us to extend down the western coast of North America. Would you estimate how far it extends down. Over.
0:51:00 # Earth in approximately the same position it was prior to the camera being rotated.
0:51:25 # View of Earth ceases. Screen is blank with banding.
0:51:32 # Collins: Trying to fit everybody into the window.
0:51:35 # Armstrong: It appears that the cloud cap comes down a little bit below the southern extremity of Alaska.
0:51:49 # Houston (Duke): Roger. We've - 11, we've lost our picture here, now.
***
0:52:08 # Earth on screen.
0:52:10 # Houston (Duke): Okay. Apollo 11, Houston. We've got the picture back now.
0:52:22 # Armstrong: Unfortunately, we only have one window that has a view of the earth and it's filled up with the TV camera so your view now is probably better than ours is.
0:52:33 # Houston (Duke): Roger, we copy.
0:52:37 # Houston (Duke): 11, Houston. If you could comply, we'd like to see a little smiling faces up there, if you could give us an interior view. I'm sure everybody would like to see you. Over.
0:52:38 # Camera rotates as Charlie Duke asks for an internal view of the command module.
0:52:52 # Armstrong: Okay, we'll reconfigure the TV for that.
0:52:54 # Houston (Duke): Roger.
***
0:53:05 # Camera moves around and zooms out until Earth is very small.
0:53:42 # Earth and interior light visible.
0:53:47 # Earth partly obstructed by internal fittings.
0:54:13 # Houston (Duke): Apollo 11, Houston. It appears to us that we're seeing a view from outside plus a little of the inside. It appears you've taken the camera away from the left window now. Over.
0:54:19 # Earth disappears from view.
0:54:27 # Collins: That's correct. We're moving it back and reconfiguring for interior lighting.
0:54:32 # Houston (Duke): Roger.
0:54:33 # Earth reappears, partly cut off by window frame.
0:54:37 # Houston (Duke): We can still see the earth through the left window and it appears that we can see a floodlight off to the left, either that or some sun shafting through the hatch window.
0:54:51 # Earth finally disappears as camera is reconfigured for interior shot.
0:54:52 # Collins: It's a floodlight.
0:54:53 # Houston (Duke): Rog.
0:54:56 # Houston (Duke): Now we're coming in. Can't quite make out who that...
0:55:06 # Aldrin: That's big Mike Collins, there. You got a little bit of -
0:55:07 # Collins: Yeah, hello there sport fans, you got a little bit of me plus Neil is in the center couch, and Buzz is doing the camera work this time.
0:55:17 # Houston (Duke): Roger. It's a little dark, 11. Maybe a bigger f-stop might help.
0:55:26 # Collins: Yeah, that should work.
***
0:55:47 # Houston (Duke): It's getting a lot better now, 11. Mike, you're coming in 5 by. I got a good...
0:55:56 # Collins: I would have put on a coat and tie if I'd known about this ahead of time.

[Kiwi]

PhantomWolf, you might be able to provide some more interesting screen shots at 38:48, 39:54 and 40:16.

During the second unscheduled broadcast, a bit after the shot you supplied earlier, the aperture is opened up at 38:48, clearly showing multiple reddish-coloured window frames and something light-coloured that seems to be reflected in the glass, but inside the CM. Then at 39:54 we see a different view of the frame.

Prior to 38:48 we have seen an unedited view of zoomed-in close-ups of the earth, and zoomed out distant shots with it at times being hidden by the window frame, and also various exposures from normal to overexposed. It is not a picture, not a transparency, it is something outside the window, and certainly looks a little like the earth to me.

Then at 40:16 the camera is pointing down toward the thighs of the operator, and we see at least four lengths of cable which are most likely different folds of the same cable.

Times may be a little different on various DVD drives, but they should be close.

[AtomicDog]

Turbonium seems to be able to take a snippet of the most blurred crappy distorted video,Rorschaching it to create his own reality around it, and use that snippet as the final proof of a hoax, ignoring all of the crystal clear video, photos, samples and other evidence of Apollo.

[echnaton]

This is reminiscent of the old, "Well it looks like it to me so it must be," bare arm vs antenna issue from long ago. Some things never change.

[zeit]

Please correct me if I'm wrong - but this was a TV signal being sent from the CM back to earth, correct? And it's roughly 20 minutes long, with no breaks or edits? The length of the clip means that it's undeniably genuine, not hoaxed at all.

It's my understanding that TV signals were sent on line-of-sight to the receiving dishes. When they were in LEO, they would transmit to several ground stations in succession for a transmission of that length, as the craft would cross horizon-to-horizon in 5-6 minutes and new ground stations would have to pick uo the signal as they came into range. The fact that this is one continuous broadcast means that it originated where NASA says it did, from the stack on the way to the moon.

If I'm mistaken, please do let me know...

[Count Zero]

You are absolutely correct. Continuous comms with spacecraft in LEO was not possible until the Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (TDRS) constellation was deployed in the late '80s/early '90s.

Welcome to the board, zeit!

[grashtel]

zeit said:

Please correct me if I'm wrong - but this was a TV signal being sent from the CM back to earth, correct? And it's roughly 20 minutes long, with no breaks or edits? The length of the clip means that it's undeniably genuine, not hoaxed at all.

It's my understanding that TV signals were sent on line-of-sight to the receiving dishes. When they were in LEO, they would transmit to several ground stations in succession for a transmission of that length, as the craft would cross horizon-to-horizon in 5-6 minutes and new ground stations would have to pick uo the signal as they came into range. The fact that this is one continuous broadcast means that it originated where NASA says it did, from the stack on the way to the moon.

If I'm mistaken, please do let me know...

The HB solution to that which I remember seeing (there may well be others, I don't put much effort into remembering them) is that the signal was transmitted from the CM in LEO (using either a directional signal or one that wouldn't penetrate the ionosphere) to a relay on the course that Apollo followed to the Moon providing the appropriate delay and source location, naturally it has a nice big set of problems with it (coordination the transmissions, the CM going behind the Earth, the CM+SM being visible from the ground, and several others).

[nomuse]

Yet another example of how the HB's mission ends up a lot more complicated than the actual mission.

(Top of that list is, of course, omitting manned landings in favor of sending dozens of sophisticated robots to scoop up rocks and soil samples).

[sts60]

You are absolutely correct. Continuous comms with spacecraft in LEO was not possible until the Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (TDRS) constellation was deployed in the late '80s/early '90s.

When I worked Shuttle missions as a payload controller in the mid-90s, it still wasn't continuous. There was a gap ominously called the Zone of Exclusion between the East and West birds' coverage. Sometimes a ground station contact was allowed by the orbital geometry, but in general this was the time you ran out to the bathroom and the coffeemaker.

Welcome to the board, zeit!

What he said.