reynoldbot
Jupiter
A paper-white mask of evil.
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Post by reynoldbot on Dec 5, 2007 4:22:28 GMT -4
True, but also on a lot of other boards, messages can't be modified or deleted by the poster after a short time, like 15 - 30 minutes, to prevent just this kind of thing. Not meant as a criticism of this place or of L.O., just as an observation. Don't worry, it is one of my biggest complaints about this forum software also. If it wasn't for the fact that we have made over 50,000 posts here that can't be transfered (and the inconvenience of requiring everyone to re-register) I would switch the forum to different software that I have more control over. No, unfortunately they are gone. mooned, if you delete or heavily modify even one more post I will ban you. If you don't have the balls to stand behind the claims you make then I suggest you don't make them in the first. If you are going to accuse NASA and it's supporters of being dishonest you might want to show some honesty yourself. I will also not tolerate any personal insults. Discuss the topic politely or leave. Whoa! That's a word I did not expect to see on this forum. Of course, Bill Thompson's eponymous last post contained an uncensored "s" bomb. Careful guys or this forum may get a "PG" rating soon! |
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Post by Count Zero on Dec 5, 2007 6:10:36 GMT -4
Wow, the things I miss when I'm offline for a day. Did someone have a question for me?
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Post by BertL on Dec 5, 2007 9:07:23 GMT -4
Why did mooned delete a number of his posts?
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Post by Czero 101 on Dec 5, 2007 9:26:15 GMT -4
Why did mooned delete a number of his posts? Seems he needed to practice his backpedaling skills and chose to do that here...  Also... for future reference: Digging a bit further into the NASA website, I came across this page (I'd seen it before but couldn't remember how I got to it) about using NASA images, audio and video footage: www.nasa.gov/multimedia/guidelines/index.htmlThe crux of it is this: - images, audio and video files are generally not copyrighted and may be freely used for pretty much anything by pretty much anyone. - the permission does not extend to basically any of the current or past NASA logos or the NASA seal - if using the media files for commercial purposes (goods or services), it must not in any way explicitly or implicitly convey NASA's endorsement of said product. - if using the image of an identifiable person for a commercial purposes, permission must be obtained from that person The page also gives contact info for the NASA Photo Department in DC (this is possibly what Mooned is/was looking for): Photo Department
NASA Headquarters
300 E St. SW
Washington, DC 20546
Tel: (202)358-1900
Fax: (202)358-4333 |
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Post by BertL on Dec 5, 2007 9:47:54 GMT -4
After all this accusations of "NASA covering things up", I'm getting a bit sad by seeing yet another Hoax Believer doing his best to cover up his mistakes. Now really, how dishonest is that?
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Bob B.
Bob the Excel Guru?
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Post by Bob B. on Dec 5, 2007 10:02:17 GMT -4
Why did mooned delete a number of his posts? The only reason I can think of for why a person would do so is if they believed the posts cast a bad light on either themselves or their cause. Deleting the posts is a way to erase evidence of things the person is either ashamed of or they believe are incriminating. I think mooned’s reason, i.e. “Just realized that my time and yours was wasted on ground that all of you have covered long before I arrived.”is a bunch of BS. It is not up to him to make that decision for the rest of us. Deleting his old posts was a rather cowardly act in my opinion. |
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Jason
Pluto
May all your hits be crits
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Post by Jason on Dec 5, 2007 12:08:01 GMT -4
The only reason I can think of for deleting old posts is embarrassment on the part of the poster.
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Post by scooter on Dec 5, 2007 12:19:45 GMT -4
Wow, the things I miss when I'm offline for a day. Did someone have a question for me? Yes, you missed something, as you were one he was "aiming" at. Your analysis of the video/still shots of Earth by the outbound Apollo 11 crew, specifically. He hauled out a BS clip, and a Jarrah youTube video, and basically said the video and photos were faked and preshot before the mission. No evidence presented, and as folks started questioning his evidence, or lack thereof, he started going after Jay and others without presenting his "proof"... ...same old stuff, pity he wasn't strong enough in his convictions to leave his posts intact. |
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Post by Trinitrotoluene on Dec 5, 2007 12:47:18 GMT -4
True, but also on a lot of other boards, messages can't be modified or deleted by the poster after a short time, like 15 - 30 minutes, to prevent just this kind of thing. Not meant as a criticism of this place or of L.O., just as an observation. Don't worry, it is one of my biggest complaints about this forum software also. If it wasn't for the fact that we have made over 50,000 posts here that can't be transfered (and the inconvenience of requiring everyone to re-register) I would switch the forum to different software that I have more control over. No, unfortunately they are gone. mooned, if you delete or heavily modify even one more post I will ban you. If you don't have the balls to stand behind the claims you make then I suggest you don't make them in the first. If you are going to accuse NASA and it's supporters of being dishonest you might want to show some honesty yourself. I will also not tolerate any personal insults. Discuss the topic politely or leave. If you have access to the full SQL database (I assume this forum is running on an SQL backend) then I may be able to write a convert script to another forums software. If you don't then I'm afraid you are up the creek without a paddle! |
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 5, 2007 13:38:47 GMT -4
The only reason I can think of for deleting old posts is embarrassment on the part of the poster.
There's that reason, plus the another: that he can go elsewhere and refer back to this thread as a newly one-sided example of how "badly" he was treated by Apollo advocates. The impression that he was "gunning" for me or was being otherwise obnoxious requires the reader to see Mooned's original posts.
The excuse that he doesn't want to have appeared to waste our time works only if we all delete our responses in which we clearly offered our time, fruitless as it was.
As it stands, several of our points now stand embarrassingly without evidence. For example, Mooned insinuated that I would alter any video I posted so as to be favorable to my point. I referred to that insinuation a number of times, but never quoted it. The only evidence that he made any such statement is in posts that no longer exist. Some time hence, another reader might draw the defensible conclusion that I just made it all up.
I don't necessarily mind the ability to delete one's posts. But rather than simply the absence of a post, I think the software should display something like "[This post was deleted by its author]" so that new readers know they're not seeing what the other contributors may have seen while they were writing.
Mooned's post count is still high. If that's simply maintained as a column in the postings database table, then I can see why posts would be gone forever; although I consider it a bug that the post count field isn't decremented when the contributor deletes a post. But if it's obtained in SQL fashion (e.g., "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM Post Table WHERE Poster ID = Whatever") then it would indicate the posts really are still there and merely flagged as "deleted" so that they aren't displayed. I guess some database storage engines actually work faster if "deleted" data are left in place until a garbage collection cycle. If that's the case, then SQL-level access might restore the posts, or at least extract them.
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 5, 2007 14:02:36 GMT -4
Here's the address I have on file. This is actually the video duplication contractor for some of the NASA centers. I haven't actually ordered anything in a while.
Interface Media Group
1233 20th St. NW
Washington DC 20036
Voice (202) 861-0500
FAX (202) 296-4492
duplication@interfacemedia.com
IIRC you can order a catalogue from them.
The classic NASA bureaucracy problem again here raises its ugly head. NASA is less a single government agency and more a loose, squabbling federation of relatively autonomous centers. NASA/Ames doesn't necessarily do things the same way as NASA/Marshall or NASA/Stennis. This is a long-standing artifact of the way NASA came about. The National Space Science Data Center is, for example, at NASA/Goddard, and would provide certain kinds of information that other centers can't provide. Contrary to popular belief, there is no one central repository for all information NASA has. You have to know which center to deal with. That's why it's best to contact the PR department at headquarters: they'll help you determine which center has or does what you're looking for.
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Post by Trinitrotoluene on Dec 5, 2007 15:33:25 GMT -4
Wow, another person who knows SQL!
In my experience a SELECT query is never run that counts posts like that as it would be too intensive on the database/processor as every page load would require multiple queries just to bring back a post count. I know in Invision Power Board the value is stored as a number in the database, which is automatically incremented on each post and they have a 'maintenance section' that recounts all posts if an Admin needs to do it. There may be a section in Proboards Admin CP but I doubt it....
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 5, 2007 16:01:29 GMT -4
I think you'll find that half the board knows SQL, I tend to use it most days in some form or another, though that is because I currently administer an Oracle database to which I have created my own vb.net based front ends.
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Jason
Pluto
May all your hits be crits
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Post by Jason on Dec 5, 2007 16:16:20 GMT -4
Even I know some SQL.
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Post by BertL on Dec 5, 2007 16:18:40 GMT -4
I feel left out. I know nothing about SQL at all.
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