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Post by craiglamson on Nov 17, 2007 17:22:55 GMT -4
Thanks for joining. I'm not really looking to host the next best apollo forum ( how could that be, there is Apollohoax) but rather I was hoping that some of the reluctant hb's might join.
And yes the forum is not the best and yes there are popups, but its free.
On a side note I finally went to St. Marks youtube site to "debate" and guess what? He censors the postings!
Now I'm just shocked that a guy who will only debate on youtube and not on an open forum would censor the postings that show him to be wrong.
I think I understand his need to retain control of the words used against his. It just means a new webpage detailing the folly of his statments is in the works.
And Straydog, who I know is lurking...come on out and play...bring your buddies St Mark and Greenmagoos...and I'll toss you a nice soupbone to gnaw on.
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Post by BertL on Nov 17, 2007 17:56:21 GMT -4
On a side note I finally went to St. Marks youtube site to "debate" and guess what? He censors the postings! Wow. I'm afraid giving a reaction that fits my opinion about that would get me banned from here. I'm not far away from expressing myself and getting a 30 day ban. It'd almost be worth it.
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Post by craiglamson on Nov 17, 2007 19:06:16 GMT -4
Now don't get yourself banned due to St Mark, he is just not worth it. :0
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Post by Obviousman on Nov 18, 2007 3:35:24 GMT -4
Speaking of Duane... I was over at Aulis and saw his name his name on this page: www.aulis.com/exposing_apollo1.htmNow, as per usual, the whole thing is just bunkum - a little bit of deception, some absence of information, basic errors and.. bingo! Hoax! I mean, can you believe the one about the flag moving? Are they that stupid? Possibly, but most likely it's just another attempt to suck money out of the unwary. Has anyone ever recreated it? Should be quite simple to get a flag, stiffened with wire, get the approximate distance, then do a pan keeping the LM centred. All I need is a LM....
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Post by svector on Nov 18, 2007 9:01:22 GMT -4
I've tried arguing with 1plus8 before. Its just a waste of time, you'll never convince him of anything. Chances are its just sock puppet anyway. It's the latest incarnation of Grieg Dempsy, aka "eric144". (1+4+4 = 1+8, get it?) Ignore him. He only wants to insult and argue. He isn't interested in learning anything.
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Post by craiglamson on Nov 18, 2007 9:30:38 GMT -4
Speaking of Duane... I was over at Aulis and saw his name his name on this page: www.aulis.com/exposing_apollo1.htmNow, as per usual, the whole thing is just bunkum - a little bit of deception, some absence of information, basic errors and.. bingo! Hoax! I mean, can you believe the one about the flag moving? Are they that stupid? Possibly, but most likely it's just another attempt to suck money out of the unwary. Has anyone ever recreated it? Should be quite simple to get a flag, stiffened with wire, get the approximate distance, then do a pan keeping the LM centred. All I need is a LM.... Watch this one...you cant say they don't test LOL! www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmQ8UPekwTU
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Post by frenat on Nov 18, 2007 10:42:29 GMT -4
Speaking of Duane... I was over at Aulis and saw his name his name on this page: www.aulis.com/exposing_apollo1.htmNow, as per usual, the whole thing is just bunkum - a little bit of deception, some absence of information, basic errors and.. bingo! Hoax! I mean, can you believe the one about the flag moving? Are they that stupid? Possibly, but most likely it's just another attempt to suck money out of the unwary. Has anyone ever recreated it? Should be quite simple to get a flag, stiffened with wire, get the approximate distance, then do a pan keeping the LM centred. All I need is a LM.... That page and the next should be titled "Proof that we don't understand perspective."
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Post by Grand Lunar on Nov 19, 2007 19:54:02 GMT -4
So far, 1plus8 has been civil, if sarcastic, in his responses. He hasn't blown up so far.
I suggested that a third party enter the discussion he and I are having about radiation. Someone that can better explain the document on radation we're discussing. It's just so he knows I'm not the only one that's willing to talk.
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 19, 2007 20:17:42 GMT -4
So far, 1plus8 has been civil, if sarcastic, in his responses. He hasn't blown up so far. I still don't know his point to clearly though. If you give him evidence, he just laughs, insults you and ignores it.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Nov 19, 2007 20:48:10 GMT -4
I take it all back. In our recent discussion, 1plus8 really did confirm what I've been told. Well, he's on his own now, in his little world. Hope he doesn't get lost. Or is it too late for that?
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Post by reynoldbot on Nov 28, 2007 10:31:42 GMT -4
I think it's great on that one thread on the apollo defenders forum the HB's immediately jump to the conspiracy conclusion when it comes to the video of the flag waving after the astronaut passes by.
Grand Lunar, you do a great job of trying to get them to realize that it could be any number of things going on and that the video footage just isn't clear enough. As another poster already mentioned, the depth perception at that angle is so terrible it's likely the astronaut simply brushed up against the edge of the flag as he hopped by. Unless there is another angle, we will likely never know for sure exactly what caused the flag to move.
And besides, there STILL has never been any Apollo footage showing any flags moving unless an astronaut is also in the frame (either directly interacting with it or having just finished interacting with it). It's nice to see something (sort of) new now and again from the HB crowd, but it's not good evidence.
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Post by alex04 on Dec 1, 2007 20:06:10 GMT -4
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Post by sts60 on Dec 2, 2007 13:57:21 GMT -4
Yes, it's been a fun thread. I can see Southwind17 running the good old HB playbook. He's touted a couple of Dark Moon "analyses", but also done a Gish gallop on a lot of other things which have gone unchallenged. I've been avoiding the temptations and focusing very persistently and politely on the ALSEP; we'll see how it goes.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Dec 15, 2007 8:47:50 GMT -4
Craig's forum now seems deader than tank-tops (thank you for the phrase, Red Dwarf).
I suppose that HBs realized that if they can have a forum that's limited to about a paragraph, where they can censor whatever posts they like for their own videos, that they can appear to look clever. Not only do they provide quips and mock science that can't really be told in 500 characters, but also they respond with "Watch this video:" and give an ID to look for.
What more, is that they're not out to learn. They just want to reassure themselves of their own beliefs. None has given the impression that this isn't the case.
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Post by echard on Dec 15, 2007 21:15:33 GMT -4
The "undebunkable" moon hoax video mentioned earlier at: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmQ8UPekwTUshows prolonged movement after the astronaut walks by. I can count at least 25 swings of the flag corner. I believe that type of reaction would be impossible in an atmosphere. MichaelStMark obviously disagrees. Go to 9:00 in the video and count for yourself. Michael has changed his position so many times (from 20 to 10 seconds of movement after the astronaut passes, breeze assisted to no breeze, indoors to outdoors, etc.) that he now says the "apparent" prolonged flag movement is caused by "picture instability". He says I just need to open my eyes! If any of you feel up to it, would you take a look for yourself and add your opinion? If you're lucky, maybe Michael won't censor your comment and allow it to post!
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