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Post by BertL on Jan 19, 2008 8:43:44 GMT -4
when I read altair's posts I tend to imagine him yelling them as he types. Same here. He might be new to the "online forum" phenomenon, though.
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Post by Ginnie on Jan 19, 2008 13:11:10 GMT -4
Hi everyone,this is a fantastic website...what is my reponse... its great 2 C everyone is enthusiastic and there are people with a POSITIVE ATTITUDE!!!Personally I have no doubt we walked on the moon,yesterday I was reading the Apollo 11 mission reports(awesome!!) and believe every word Aldrin has 2 say in the 1st few pages of volume 1,a friend of mine worked for Kodak in NZ and delivered photos to the US embassy of the Apollo shots (he told me some interesting things,which I will not repeat here,he said they walked on the moon!! My brother is the Deputy Director of Space Research in the RAAF and has spent time working on classified things,he was at Cape Canaveral last year,and says they walked on the moon(he guarantees it)I believe him.Armstrong in the book "First Man" says it would be harder to fake...I believe him!!The moon exist..I have seen it!!I believe it..THERE IS A VIDEO CLIP I HAVE SEEN WITH AN ORB FLYING DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH COLUMBIA TAKEN FROM THE LM....(trying 2 get more info 4 U) checkout "REAL MOON STUDIO" on Youtube....what do U think!!! Personally I think they walked on the moon,the anomalies can be explained..they had visitors(same as over Area 51,orbs) and would have substituted some things here and there if the plans had failed that they could anticipate.I have read Return To Earth (Aldrin) and he says they dumped their things on the surface out the door,this is on video(Honeysuckle Creek) and it was planned 2 begin with (Apollo Mission Reports,Apogee) So its a case of what U believe....I have my own beliefs ...POSITIVE!! WELL DONE APOLLO!!! How you read the forum rules? You're not allowed to use more than one exclamation mark in a sentence. Capital words are limited to ONE per post. Abbreviations are to be used sparingly. Okay, I made them up. Just something to think about. ;D I think your post would be clearer and more understandable if they were written this way, right now I'm having problems taking your comments seriously.
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Post by Count Zero on Jan 19, 2008 15:17:04 GMT -4
How you read the forum rules? You're not allowed to use more than one exclamation mark in a sentence. Capital words are limited to ONE per post. Abbreviations are to be used sparingly. Geez, when did this place become BAUT?! ;D [edited for spelling]
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Post by gillianren on Jan 19, 2008 15:41:06 GMT -4
Trust me, on a forum I'd run, were I to run a forum, the rules on grammar would be a lot stricter than they are on BAUT. (Though I do delight in the fact that I can politely ask moderators to fix the spelling of thread titles and they will.)
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Post by AtomicDog on Jan 20, 2008 2:05:39 GMT -4
I would love to put a ban on number words (2 for to) and single letter words (U for you). I want to tear my hair out every time I run across those things in a post. It makes the writer seem illiterate.
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Post by Czero 101 on Jan 20, 2008 4:56:45 GMT -4
I would love to put a ban on number words (2 for to) and single letter words (U for you). I want to tear my hair out every time I run across those things in a post. It makes the writer seem illiterate. My thoughts precisely... Cz
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Post by Bob B. on Jan 20, 2008 11:11:40 GMT -4
Me 2. Why is it that people feel a need to use shorthand for some of the shortest and easiest words to type?
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Post by echnaton on Jan 20, 2008 11:40:34 GMT -4
Its kewl.
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Post by RAF on Jan 20, 2008 12:43:37 GMT -4
It makes the writer seem illiterate. That is my opinion also. Although I don't succeed, I "try" to use proper english. It only seems right to do so.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 20, 2008 15:42:19 GMT -4
Just be glad he didn't do the entire post in L33T, and yes I have seen that done. (Interestingly it was so common and so complained about that one of the board rules is now "No L33T")
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 20, 2008 16:23:26 GMT -4
I'm normally one to err on the side of preserving the purity of the language, but in this case I have to point to the long, multilingual history of rebus abbrevation, and of shorthand in general. In Latin MSS (manuscripts) many of the customary grammatical terminations are written as diacritical glyphs in order to save space and effort. Writing manuscripts is excruciating, and so is trying to say something coherent in a text message typed with one's thumbs on a tiny keypad. The rampant teenage rebuses are simply the cursive form of the dactilographic language -- meant to ease the overall burden of expression regardless of how marginal the efficiency may seem.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 20, 2008 17:07:58 GMT -4
I'm sure that the Latin Manuscript writers didn't write their personal letters in glyphs though.
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Post by Al Johnston on Jan 20, 2008 18:44:58 GMT -4
And there's no excuse for it on a full keyboard Although I seem to recall that Egyptian Hieroglyphics made use of the rebus principle...
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Post by Ginnie on Jan 20, 2008 19:30:20 GMT -4
And it's also that " long, multilingual history of rebus abbrevation" that has caused many problems interpreting what many manuscripts, include Biblical, actually are saying. It's a lot easier to type a whole word on the computer than to even write one Half uncial on goatskin don't you think? I don't think these posts are being composed on a cell phone, but I might be wrong.
I'm just so surprised most people don't buy an old Mavis Beacon v4 for five bucks and learn how to type properly. My father in law just retired from the School board and I had to redo his computer recently. I was surprised to see that after years of using a keyboard he could only type with two fingers at the rate of ten words a minute. Looking back, my Typing course in high school back in 1974 was the most important course I ever took.
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 20, 2008 20:06:19 GMT -4
So what's Egyptian for "U-Haul?"
While it's easier to type than to write on goatskin, I think it's easier to write on goatskin than set up an appointment by text message, typing on that itty bitty phone keyboard with all thumbs. And that's what a lot of teenagers use as their primary means of textual communications.
Abbreviation saves space, but it also saves time. Even on a full-sized keyboard, there's a difference between sitting here pleasantly typing out a post in good old American English with no rush, and sending a quick message via World of Warcraft, where the difference between "2" and "too" might mean sudden death. And the double-whammy is the uncanny ability of your average teenager to compose a text message in the middle of class with his phone under his desk, in his coat pocket, or in a purse -- out of sight. The fewer characters the better. Rebus-type abbreviation is simply easier to understand intuitively.
Once you become accustomed to a particular way of keying out of necessity, it becomes what your brain is used to. On a full-sized keyboard I can type in full words as fast as any teenager typing in l33t, because I've had decades of practice. I learned to type fast and accurately on manual typewriters.
But I also see another dimension. Humans use language not just for communication, but also as amusement. Vanity plates long predated modern teenagers. If you can pull up behind someone at a traffic light, see 10SNE1 on the plate, and chuckle a bit, then you've been drawn into the allure of rebus. There are such plays on words, letters, and sounds going back thousands of years, just for the fun of it.
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