reynoldbot
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A paper-white mask of evil.
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Post by reynoldbot on Jan 31, 2008 21:02:36 GMT -4
Update: Jarrah's latest video (where he assumes initial velocity has no bearing on time/distance calculations involving gravity fields) has been set to "private". Anyone desiring to view it, will apparently need to ask his permission first. And Jarrah's little "garden of eden" grows ever smaller. Pretty soon it will be just him and greenmagoos IMing each other and patting themselves on the back.
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Post by Data Cable on Feb 1, 2008 2:04:33 GMT -4
Does two people patting each other on the back constitute a perpetual motion machine?
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Post by pzkpfw on Feb 1, 2008 2:44:28 GMT -4
Does two people patting each other on the back constitute a perpetual motion machine? No. There is input of energy, from debunkers.
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Post by wspaceport on Apr 7, 2008 3:48:13 GMT -4
No, more like Asperger's Syndrome. . .
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Post by wspaceport on Apr 7, 2008 4:29:36 GMT -4
I'd like to see him wiggle his way out of this one, since he tried (and failed) to ridicule a simple experiment I challenged him to perform: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaUvgN6xvVYNo doubt, he'll block me now. . . Regards, ~JS~
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Apr 7, 2008 9:14:28 GMT -4
As usual, these YouTube videos don’t make much sense unless you’ve been following the whole chain of arguments from the beginning. What is the point of that video? Who is trying to prove or disprove what?
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Apr 7, 2008 9:33:19 GMT -4
By the way, I don’t agree with the argument that the astronauts couldn’t photograph stars on the Moon because it was daytime. Because it was daytime on the Moon, the astronauts were taking photos of the Moon using exposures for daylight conditions. These exposures prohibited stars from being visible. However, if they were equipped to do so, they could have pointed the camera in a direction that eliminated everything from the field of view except dark sky and increased the exposure. This should have allowed stars images to be recorded. Of course the astronauts weren’t equipped to take long exposure photographs, nor was anyone interested in taking images of stars (that’s not why we went to the Moon).
You wrote,
“DAYTIME on Moon = no visible stars seen in Apollo photos (except Sun).”
I think, more correctly, this should read,
“DAYTIME EXPOSURES on Moon = no visible stars seen in Apollo photos (except Sun).”
I don’t believe there is anything inherent about daytime per se that prohibits the photographing of stars on the Moon.
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Post by tedward on Apr 7, 2008 9:42:27 GMT -4
Anyone else spot the irony of using a video web site posting duff vids and info claiming NASA hoaxed all the images and films? Not the first I suppose.
I do lurk in there on occasion but find it hard to sign up to try to put a case across. Certainly no expert here but there are some howlers.
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Post by scooter on Apr 7, 2008 20:01:06 GMT -4
I wonder if Jarrah, during his observatory/star gazing tour, mentioned to the tour guide that the Moon flights were hoaxed, that the lack of stars is evidence.
...didn't think so.
Ha, and he shows "stargazing during daytime" shots...with a frikken TELESCOPE!!!!! Does he understand the light amplification of those things?
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Apr 7, 2008 22:07:11 GMT -4
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Post by tedward on Apr 8, 2008 4:16:08 GMT -4
Interesting. Next time I am out with the scope in the day I will try that. I do tend to look around when it goes out in the afternoon to cool down but quickly loose interest. The moon depends on phase and atmoshere etc. Maybe visit some pics for a second look.
I had not considered looking for stars apart from our own, USUAL DO NOT LOOK AT THE SUN WITH ANY OPTICS OR EYEBALL MARK ONE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Even hoax believers.
Now, what is Mr White claiming? He can see Venus at dusk or stars in full sunlight? The video does not prove the latter and only shows that everyone can see venus in the evening. Good discovery there, alert the world. Along with we can see the moon.
On a related note, the Sky at Night magazine recently put a couple of interviews with a certain pair of gents on the cover DVD. First and last on the moon. The first one, forget his name, says he could not see stars. The latter reckons it was possible but needed a lot of effort. Have to dig them out.
Now before Mr White jumps up and down, understand what was said before you rush in head first.
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Post by cos on Apr 8, 2008 8:59:57 GMT -4
On a related note, the Sky at Night magazine recently put a couple of interviews with a certain pair of gents on the cover DVD. First and last on the moon. The first one, forget his name, says he could not see stars. The latter reckons it was possible but needed a lot of effort.
Cernan was on the Moon a good deal longer than Armstrong and had time for such 'frivolities' as allowing his eyes to adjust to low light in the shadows. If your vision was saturated you couldn't see the stars. I went to a football match in the evening and noticed on the way home that it was quite a starry night. In the brightly lit stadium I didn't see a thing. A Conspiracy? We should be told!
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Post by tedward on Apr 8, 2008 9:34:38 GMT -4
On a related note, the Sky at Night magazine recently put a couple of interviews with a certain pair of gents on the cover DVD. First and last on the moon. The first one, forget his name, says he could not see stars. The latter reckons it was possible but needed a lot of effort. Cernan was on the Moon a good deal longer than Armstrong and had time for such 'frivolities' as allowing his eyes to adjust to low light in the shadows. If your vision was saturated you couldn't see the stars. I went to a football match in the evening and noticed on the way home that it was quite a starry night. In the brightly lit stadium I didn't see a thing. A Conspiracy? We should be told! Apologies, I should have commented on that as well. I fully realise the situation. I have now found the DVD in question and Gene Cernans comments are along the lines of "really really have to try very hard". Verbatim on request, just means spooling it back and forth to get it right. I should add that I am not in any way holding it up in support of a HB, rather that the HB appears not to understand the situation. Just go and film Venus, that will prove it
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Apr 8, 2008 9:45:29 GMT -4
I went to a football match in the evening and noticed on the way home that it was quite a starry night. In the brightly lit stadium I didn't see a thing. A Conspiracy? We should be told! Anyone who just takes the time to observe and experience the world around them can debunk half this hoax nonsense. I think some HBs have to work really hard to remain as ignorant of their surroundings as they appear. It must be exhausting.
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Post by nomuse on Apr 8, 2008 16:22:35 GMT -4
I've noticed, lately "atmosphere and magnetic field" are the big catch-all excuse of H.B.s on many questions. Sort of their version of Minovsky Particles. Apparently, in H.B. land the stars are a magnificent display, almost blindingly bright, once you get out of the pea soup we're under. Unfortunately, there's also Deadly Radiation that only the Earth's Magnetic Shield saves us from. The all-purpose atmosphere also cools us (never warms), reflects light around corners in ways it wouldn't otherwise, and basically does whatever trick the H.B. needs done.
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