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Post by PhantomWolf on May 2, 2007 2:12:31 GMT -4
Myron Fagan lectures
In the late 1960's, Myron Fagan explained how the Rothschild family, Adam Weishaupt, and the "Illuminati" have grown into a criminal network that has taken over our banking system; created and financed communism; encouraged fighting between races; sacrificed Jews; and have been installing their puppets into our governments.
I'm guessing you still haven't boithered reading the link lenbrazil kindly gave you.
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Post by feelfree222 on May 2, 2007 2:35:12 GMT -4
Myron Fagan lectures
In the late 1960's, Myron Fagan explained how the Rothschild family, Adam Weishaupt, and the "Illuminati" have grown into a criminal network that has taken over our banking system; created and financed communism; encouraged fighting between races; sacrificed Jews; and have been installing their puppets into our governments.I'm guessing you still haven't boithered reading the link lenbrazil kindly gave you. I have demonstrated than the debunkers are wrong when they said that the claims made by Myron Fagan lack of historical supports. For example the historical letters exposing the illuminatis which have infiltrate the free masons in America proving that the Illuminatis mouvement was not dead in 1789 as claimed by the debunkers . LETTERS ON THE MASONIC INSTITUTION. BY JOHN QUINCY ADAMS © 1996 Acacia Press, Incorporated. MONTAGUE, MASSACHUSETTS. Originally Published: © 1847 T. R. Marvin BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS users.crocker.com/~acacia/text_lmi.htmlMYRON C. FAGAN streaming MP-3 100777.com/myronIn the late 1960's, Myron Fagan explained how the Rothschild family, Adam Weishaupt, and the "Illuminati" have grown into a criminal network that has taken over our banking system; created and financed communism; encouraged fighting between races; sacrificed Jews; and have been installing their puppets into our governments.
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Post by gillianren on May 2, 2007 5:42:43 GMT -4
Repeatedly posting the same thing doesn't make you right, you know.
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Post by gwiz on May 2, 2007 10:11:08 GMT -4
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Post by BertL on May 2, 2007 10:41:09 GMT -4
It's still not October, feelfree. Why are you demonstrating your close-mindedness by showing us that you don't want to do research about the credibility of your sources but do want to discuss using these sources?
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Post by Jason on May 2, 2007 11:11:15 GMT -4
Howard Phillips (usually H.P.) Lovecraft was an American author of wierd pulp horror stories in the twenties and early thirties. To add verisimilitude to his stories he created a fictional library of occult books which he and his friends would refer to in their stories. The most famous of these was the dreaded Necronomicon, supposedly written by the mad arab Abdul Al'Hazrad. The primary theme of Lovecraft's stories was basically that the whole of humankind was so insignificant on a cosmic scale that if we ever realized just how unimportant we were and what sorts of alien things lurked just outside of our consciousness that madness would surely follow. His stories have had something of a "cult" (pun intended) following since they were first written, and some of the particularly credulous fans have wondered if the Necronomicon or the strange alien "gods" he wrote about were in fact real. Some fans went one better and wrote their own versions of the Necronomicon, patterning it roughly on Lovecraft's stories in some cases.
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Post by lenbrazil on May 2, 2007 11:21:12 GMT -4
Myron Fagan lectures
In the late 1960's, Myron Fagan explained how the Rothschild family, Adam Weishaupt, and the "Illuminati" have grown into a criminal network that has taken over our banking system; created and financed communism; encouraged fighting between races; sacrificed Jews; and have been installing their puppets into our governments.I'm guessing you still haven't boithered reading the link lenbrazil kindly gave you. I have demonstrated than the debunkers are wrong when they said that the claims made by Myron Fagan lack of historical supports. For example the historical letters exposing the illuminatis which have infiltrate the free masons in America proving that the Illuminatis mouvement was not dead in 1789 as claimed by the debunkers . LETTERS ON THE MASONIC INSTITUTION. BY JOHN QUINCY ADAMS © 1996 Acacia Press, Incorporated. MONTAGUE, MASSACHUSETTS. Originally Published: © 1847 T. R. Marvin BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS users.crocker.com/~acacia/text_lmi.htmlMYRON C. FAGAN streaming MP-3 100777.com/myronIn the late 1960's, Myron Fagan explained how the Rothschild family, Adam Weishaupt, and the "Illuminati" have grown into a criminal network that has taken over our banking system; created and financed communism; encouraged fighting between races; sacrificed Jews; and have been installing their puppets into our governments. 1) The link you provided was to a personal website not an authoritative source we have no guarantee that such a book ever existed. You linked us to a page claiming documents were housed in a non-existent library.* 2) Even if the book existed due to the above there is no guarantee that what is on the page is an accurate account of what is in it. 3) Even if that’s what the book said there is no guarantee what it alleges is true, there were many anti-Masonic books back then there are books today that say we went to the moon there are books that say we didn’t, both can’t be right. The book seems to have been self-published by T. R. Marvin or published by Marvin and written by an anonymous author.* 4) In any case nothing in the text seems to support your theories there are no mentions of the “Illuminati” but I just quickly skimmed it. The fact that Adams wrote a letter to Stone about the Masons was no longer in dispute, I’m the person who found the reference for you. Adams had reason to be resentful of the Masons he was humiliatingly defeated by Andrew Jackson, a Mason. Perhaps you can highlight what in the text backs your theories. * After writing this post I found evidence the book existed and indeed was publish by Marvin bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/bibdisplay.pl?index=A000041 As for the Rosenbach Museum and Library they don’t seem to have anything by John QUINCY Adams* though they have some things from his father. If they did have the letters and Fagan meant that institution but called it the “Whittenburg Square Library” that only shows how bad of a researcher he was. Same goes if he meant Rittenhouse Square library (and there isn’t a library by that name either though there is a local branch library unlikely to house historic documents located on Locust St. near the square. The Rosenbach is a few blocks from the square. AlsoYour source also indicates he wrote only one letter to Stone while Fagan said he had written 3 * tinyurl.com/27khp5 I asked you evidence from a reliable source that backs you theories about the Illuminati, we’re still waiting. One wonders what Weishaupt would have been upto in the 1960's since he'd been dead for almost 200 years. There are numerous problems with Fagan's narrative as the link I posted previously pointed out. The evidence indicates he was nothing more than a crackpot and same goes for anyone who takes his claims seriously. Just out of curiousity, how old are you?
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Post by feelfree222 on May 2, 2007 15:45:40 GMT -4
One wonders what Weishaupt would have been upto in the 1960's since he'd been dead for almost 200 years.Other continated the plans for the World domination like the Rothschild family for example That is what Myron explain. Well, the past World events seem to confirm the claims he made. Let see if the future US war with Iran(supposedly to prevent Iran to attack Israel with nuclear weapons ) will lead to the previsible total bankcrupt of the USA and be the step for WW3 I hope other nations like Canada will not join your lovingly President Bush in his CFR iiluminati folly. Futur will tell if the author is a crackpot or not. Excerpts. 100777.com/myron"The first world war was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to destroy Czarism in Russia, as vowed by Rothschild after the Czar had torpedoed his scheme at the Congress in Vienna, and to transform Russia into a stronghold of atheistic-communism. The differences stirred up by agents of the Illuminati between the British and German Empires were to be used to foment this war. After the war would be ended; communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions. "World War II, when and if necessary, was to be fomented by using the controversies between Fascists and political zionists, and here let it be noted that Hitler was financed by Krupp, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds, and other internationalist bankers and that the slaughter of the supposed 6,000,000 Jews by Hitler didn't bother the Jewish internationalist bankers at all. That slaughter was necessary in order to create worldwide-hatred of the German people and thus bring about war against them. In short; this second world war was to be fought to destroy nazism and increase the power of political Zionism so that the state of Israel could be established in Palestine. "During this World War II; international communism was to be built up until it equalled in strength that of united Christendom. When it reached that point; it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social-cataclysm. As we know now; Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin put that exact policy into effect and Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and George Bush continued that same exact policy. - Claims made in 1968 -"World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism (Israelis) will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically.
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Post by nomuse on May 2, 2007 16:01:47 GMT -4
Best line in the post.
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Post by Al Johnston on May 2, 2007 16:03:55 GMT -4
Howard Phillips (usually H.P.) Lovecraft was an American author of wierd pulp horror stories in the twenties and early thirties. To add verisimilitude to his stories he created a fictional library of occult books which he and his friends would refer to in their stories. The most famous of these was the dreaded Necronomicon, supposedly written by the mad arab Abdul Al'Hazrad. The primary theme of Lovecraft's stories was basically that the whole of humankind was so insignificant on a cosmic scale that if we ever realized just how unimportant we were and what sorts of alien things lurked just outside of our consciousness that madness would surely follow. His stories have had something of a "cult" (pun intended) following since they were first written, and some of the particularly credulous fans have wondered if the Necronomicon or the strange alien "gods" he wrote about were in fact real. Some fans went one better and wrote their own versions of the Necronomicon, patterning it roughly on Lovecraft's stories in some cases. Ably satirised by Terry Pratchett's Necrotelecomnicon and accompanying Liber Paginarum Fulvarum ;D
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Post by papageno on May 2, 2007 16:48:25 GMT -4
Howard Phillips (usually H.P.) Lovecraft was an American author of wierd pulp horror stories in the twenties and early thirties. To add verisimilitude to his stories he created a fictional library of occult books which he and his friends would refer to in their stories. The most famous of these was the dreaded Necronomicon, supposedly written by the mad arab Abdul Al'Hazrad. <geek mode ACTIVATE!>That would be Abdul Alhazred, thankyouverymuch! <geek mode off>
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Post by Jason on May 2, 2007 16:56:34 GMT -4
The most famous of these was the dreaded Necronomicon, supposedly written by the mad arab Abdul Al'Hazrad. <geek mode ACTIVATE!>That would be Abdul Alhazred, thankyouverymuch! <geek mode off>Sorry, I'm getting Lovecraft's original name confused with some of the attempts to make it authentically arabic (the form Abdul Alhazred apparently isn't).
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Post by papageno on May 2, 2007 17:07:13 GMT -4
Sorry, I'm getting Lovecraft's original name confused with some of the attempts to make it authentically arabic (the form Abdul Alhazred apparently isn't). Don't worry. I'm just a purist. I actually managed to pick out one of Derleth's posthumous "collaborations" with Lovecraft from the first paragraph.
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 2, 2007 17:08:37 GMT -4
I have demonstrated than the debunkers are wrong when they said that the claims made by Myron Fagan lack of historical supports.
You've answered the entire list of 50 things he's wrong about? I must have missed that.....
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Post by lenbrazil on May 2, 2007 17:22:11 GMT -4
One wonders what Weishaupt would have been upto in the 1960's since he'd been dead for almost 200 years.Other continated the plans for the World domination like the Rothschild family for example That is what Myron explain. Well, the past World events seem to confirm the claims he made. Let see if the future US war with Iran(supposedly to prevent Iran to attack Israel with nuclear weapons ) will lead to the previsible total bankcrupt of the USA and be the step for WW3 I hope other nations like Canada will not join your lovingly President Bush in his CFR iiluminati folly. Futur will tell if the author is a crackpot or not. Excerpts. 100777.com/myron"The first world war was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to destroy Czarism in Russia, as vowed by Rothschild after the Czar had torpedoed his scheme at the Congress in Vienna, and to transform Russia into a stronghold of atheistic-communism. The differences stirred up by agents of the Illuminati between the British and German Empires were to be used to foment this war. After the war would be ended; communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions. "World War II, when and if necessary, was to be fomented by using the controversies between Fascists and political zionists, and here let it be noted that Hitler was financed by Krupp, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds, and other internationalist bankers and that the slaughter of the supposed 6,000,000 Jews by Hitler didn't bother the Jewish internationalist bankers at all. That slaughter was necessary in order to create worldwide-hatred of the German people and thus bring about war against them. In short; this second world war was to be fought to destroy nazism and increase the power of political Zionism so that the state of Israel could be established in Palestine. "During this World War II; international communism was to be built up until it equalled in strength that of united Christendom. When it reached that point; it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social-cataclysm. As we know now; Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin put that exact policy into effect and Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and George Bush continued that same exact policy. - Claims made in 1968 -"World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism (Israelis) will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically. Do you think his ramblings make him more credible? As for his “prediction” it has yet to come to fruition there is no indication it ever will. It didn’t exactly take a visionary to predict in 1968 that the Arabs and Israelis would continue to wage war against each other they had already fought 3 wars in 19 years and had been fighting since the 1920’s, the Arabs continued their calls for the destruction of Israel (something the US and Europe were unlikely to let happen) and calling for revenge for their humiliation a year earlier. Nor did it take a visionary to imagine that this conflict could lead to the brink of Armageddon or beyond only a year earlier the US and Soviets almost got involved in the 6-Day War and few years before that came very close to a nuclear showdown. Can you cite any CREDIBLE evidence* to support his or your theories? Much of what he says is demonstrably false. He claimed for example that various branches of the Rothschild family were involved in various plots before they actually went into business. He claimed John Quincy Adams wrote 3 letters to some guy he apparently only sent one misconstrued it (their) content and claimed they were housed in a non-existent library. * You seem to have trouble grasping this concept, undocumented claims on private websites, forums, blogs etc doesn’t qualify.
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