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Post by BertL on Jan 31, 2009 5:36:04 GMT -4
At the Davos Debates, there was an incident of the Turkish Prime Minister walking away angrily after being interrupted several times in a debate about the Gaza problem. I haven't read or seen any other news sources on this except for the Dutch news, so I can't judge whether the report actually was biased, but I got a distinct feeling it was. First off, the report tells about the Prime Minister's criticism towards Israel. We don't get to see what he said, however; the reporter just tells us "he condemned Israel's actions". Then, we get to see the Israel representative react to the Turkish Prime Minister, in quite an angry and wordy way. After that, we get to see the Turkish Prime Minister trying to react, while the debate leader(?) interrupts him to ask him to round it off because it's dinner time. Overall, the report gave me the feeling that I should feel sympathetic towards the Turkish Prime Minister, who is almost being censored. I'm not saying that the report was biased, but large portions of the debate were cut, and this left me with a feeling of not having seen it. The reporter does summarize what happens, but we don't get to see it for ourselves. It didn't feel as objective as the news in here usually is. How was this incident reported in America / the UK / elsewhere?
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Post by lionking on Jan 31, 2009 12:12:09 GMT -4
www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&6424C7B8F949DDACC225754E00784BC0this is how an anti-Syria/Hamas but also of course anti-Israeli newspaper said. while the pro-Syria/Hamas newspaper assafir wrote www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=2953&EditionId=1151&ChannelId=26380 The "Bomb" of Ardogan: Our Humanity is more Important Than Politics this was the title. Then they said that he replied to Perez saying: when it comes to killing, you know well how you kill. He said also that being silent about oppression is oppression. Killing 1300 persons is not a mild event, I just approached it from a humanitarian angle..our humanitarian traits are more important than political balances..we will not allow anyone to play with our dignity..no one can undermine the tradgedy of the Palestinians. I am not against the jewish people but the Israeli administration. I am not with anti-semitism.we are criticizing the phosophoric bombs and WMD... clearly there s a difference reporting the details of what Ardogan said
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Post by Jason on Jan 31, 2009 19:56:53 GMT -4
According to what I've seen, the Turkish minister was not really being censored. He went on at some length about how Israel was killing innocents and then left the stage after the moderator tried to direct things away from personally abusing other leaders.
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Post by Jason on Feb 24, 2009 18:20:58 GMT -4
Here's a doozy, from the New York Times today: Do the math. If the estimate of 100 per day is extended to six years of war (which it shouldn't be - the 2006 figure is obviously given as a peak figure), that only comes out to 218,400 widows over the time period of the war - less than 30% of the total of estimated widows. Where did the other half million widows come from? Obviously most of them are the result of Saddam Hussein's policies before the war. Things like the 1980 eight-year war against Iran, the war against Kuwait, ethnic and sectarian violence under Saddam's rule, etc. So, as the NY Times tries to paint 740,000 widows as the fault of the war, and thus the Bush administration, it neatly avoids the fact that Saddam was doing pretty well to make widows before we ever invaded, and the fact that the vast majority of widows in Iraq currently must have become widows during Saddam's watch.
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Post by Ginnie on Feb 24, 2009 19:53:29 GMT -4
You read funny, Jason.
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Post by Jason on Mar 12, 2009 16:06:51 GMT -4
Here's a bit where the media bias is the media's love affair with silly polls: This story concerns a poll that shows that Utah, Hawaii, and Wyoming top the lists of happiest states (if you're interested, the bottom of the list was occupied by West Virginia, Kentucky, and Mississippi). Of course, in October Fox News reported a poll that found that "Wyoming residents are closed-minded, disagreeable and not very conscientious compared to people in nearly every other state, according to a new study of the personalities of more than 600,000 people nationwide." Either polls don't really mean a lot, or the secret to happiness is being closed-minded, disagreeable, and not very conscientious.
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Post by echnaton on Mar 13, 2009 6:34:04 GMT -4
Perhaps we should ask around and see what others think on the value of polls in determining which is true?
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Post by Jason on Mar 13, 2009 15:11:31 GMT -4
Perhaps we should ask around and see what others think on the value of polls in determining which is true? Heh.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 14, 2009 5:04:33 GMT -4
Perhaps we should ask around and see what others think on the value of polls in determining which is true? But what happens if the result of the poll is that the majority think polls are inaccurate and of no value?
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Post by lionking on Mar 14, 2009 13:38:01 GMT -4
Perhaps we should ask around and see what others think on the value of polls in determining which is true? But what happens if the result of the poll is that the majority think polls are inaccurate and of no value? we face this problem too. The opposition has results from polls saying that they are the majority, the now-majority says they ae false and we [majority]will rewin in June 7
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Post by echnaton on Mar 14, 2009 16:06:41 GMT -4
Perhaps we should ask around and see what others think on the value of polls in determining which is true? But what happens if the result of the poll is that the majority think polls are inaccurate and of no value? Then we will know the truth.
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Post by laurel on Mar 18, 2009 1:08:03 GMT -4
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Post by Jason on Mar 18, 2009 11:05:35 GMT -4
Bad on Fox, but they're right that the Obama administration went from "doom and goom" when the stimulous package had to be passed or we would face economic armagedon to "the fundamentals of our economy are strong and now might be a good time to buy stocks" when they realized their attitude was destroying the stock market.
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Post by echnaton on Mar 18, 2009 13:41:30 GMT -4
Treasury Secretary Tim Geitner has been widely and properly criticized for talking as if we were heading into a depression while proposing "fixes" suited for a recession. The panic mode campaign tactics to sell the various stimulus and relief programs have cost him some credibility and that loss has spilled over to the administration as a whole. Lets hope it is a lesson learned for Obama rather than a indicator of the next four years. I have my doubts that the administration will change its ways, but am willing to wait and see.
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Post by gillianren on Mar 18, 2009 13:46:11 GMT -4
Oh, but it was okay when the previous administration was using the same tactics to sell the AIG bailout, etc.? Yeah, okay.
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