1969 Tech better than 2008?

[3rdrock]

1969 was known as the year of the first manned mission to the moon. Did we really send a man to the moon? The evidence of man landing on the moon is zero, yes we are aware we have sent multiple satellites to the moon and obtained many moon rock samples but the reality behind if we sent man there is still unknown.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy

The government is basically stating we had better technology in 1969 than we do now, we never had mobile phones or high tech computers don't get me started on all the other advanced technology we have now that we never had in 1969 from military crafts to basic digital camera's, just because all the people in 1696 were on acid and thought they had color tv when if fact it was primitive black and white projections does not mean the generations of today will believe the same lies they did in 1969.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_white_tv

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_mobile_phones

There are hundreds of reasons on which we faked the moon landings but there are zero reasons on why we would ever need to go to the moon, some people say the moon is just like earth and we are trying to hide the fact that there is life right in front of our face and most of our tech has come from other species of humans that live on the moon, this information is yet to be accurate but that does not mean it is not a reason in which the moon landings were faked, others say we faked it because of "WAR" and the space race etc etc.

www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/ast99/ast99047.htm

www.e-telescope.gr/en/cat10/art10_020827.htm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_moon

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_(dwarf_planet)

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Aliens and UFO's have been a major form of intelligent design from our military crafts we use today to biological studies and scientific development and also even bombs and lasers that can potentially and will inevitable destroy life on this planet.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom

Technology is so advanced in the year 2008, yet we still cannot land a man on the moon, why? Well we are using the same technology we were using in 1969, space technology has not changed in over 35 years because of many reasons, but all other technology has increased substantially if not completely revolutionized the genre of the original tech itself.

The main reason is that we just can't get to the moon, we probably will not be able to for at least 20 more years, we are advancing so fast yet we lack realistic knowledge on the FACTS that stop us from ever reaching the moon, we can lie and pretend all we want but the truth is, humans and life is just not suitable to be outside a protective barrier, AKA the atmosphere or a man made tech that allows us to reach an alien planet.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere

I would like to hear form other members of this site and the opinion they have based on technological development from when the first manned mission was supposed to of happened, we have high tech lasers and we can transfer information wireless, aircraft can move at super sonic speed smashing the sound barrier and don't forget the nuclear weapons we have today in comparison to the atomic bomb we had in the 60's 70's and 80's is amazing.

How can we believe such lies when we cannot reach the moon today? If man landed on the moon the documentation and available resources to make standard citizens like you and I research and obtain information so they can further greater increase our tech to improve our "Space Age" would be openly accessible not hidden and classified.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy

The human race is based on knowledge and information, if we were not led to believe or did not have the information to greater increase our awareness to the reality behind how or why we can or cannot do specific things, the technology in that specific area would lack and therefor we would be how we are today, lost.

We were told that we would be flying around in cars and living on the moon this information is only inaccurate because we lack the knowledge of actual events that occurred in the past, if man did land on the moon we would all be living Jetson style and we would have bases on the moon, we would be traveling to Mars and to other planets colonizing them and greater spreading our existence into the solar system and slowing spreading into the depths of the universe.

nmp.nasa.gov/st5/

www.spacefoundation.org/news/story.php?id=464
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Space is an alien environment to mankind, we are not aware of the typical weather patterns in space like we are on earth, we don't have standard knowledge of such things because every citizen on this planet is not allowed the information to improve such things, humans are a very advanced species unlike all the other species on this planet we have the ability to create devices that can think, alter and create new realities inside our own reality, meaning we can design things that are not naturally available meaning we can basically do what we want when we want as long as we have sufficient knowledge of the topic we are studying, creating or attempting to create.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life
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Knowledge is based on experience, awareness and education not to mention theories and hypothetical statements and acknowledgments based on specific understanding of particular subjects and or past, present and future discoveries. Knowledge can be based on religion in some respects but this information is based on a belief and ideology not an actual even or specifically accurate realization of such events.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge

We knew the world was round before any telescope stated it was accurate, we knew evolution was reality before any religion stated it as being inaccurate and therefore we know we never landed on the moon for the sole reasons of the actual evidence and actual knowledge we have or will have on the subject of the topic in relation to the events that have occurred in the past, present and the anticipating events that may occur in the future.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_earth
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Thank you for taking the time to read, your opinion and reply is greatly appreciated.

I am currently in the process of writing a book named " Thinkers and followers"

This book is in relation to not only the Moon landing hoax but many theories and skeptical events and associated beliefs that are in relation to the working of society and psychology, anthropology, biology and sociology.

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Thank you.

[tedward]

This an advert for the unknowing?
Here is a very good link I came across once then found this forum.
www.clavius.org/
Worth an education.

[Data Cable]

Moved as I was composing my response.

Sept 20, 2008 13:22:49 GMT -4 3rdrock said:

Did we really send a man to the moon?

Yes. ("We" meaning mankind in general, not "we," the individual participants in this conversation)

The evidence of man landing on the moon is zero

Then you haven't been looking very hard.

yes we are aware we have sent multiple satellites to the moon and obtained many moon rock samples

"Satellites" cannot retrieve rock samples, so how did we obtain them?

The government is basically stating we had better technology in 1969 than we do now

No, "the government" is stating we had a very application-specific technology in 1969 that we do not currently possess.

we never had mobile phones or high tech computers don't get me started on all the other advanced technology we have now that we never had in 1969 from military crafts to basic digital camera's

Why are mobile phones or digital cameras necessary to send men to the moon? What do unspecified "military crafts" have to do with sending men to the moon? Why were the computers of the time (then very much high tech) unsuited to the job of sending men to the moon?

just because all the people in 1696 were on acid...

All the people... really?

...and thought they had color tv when if fact it was primitive black and white projections

So... to cite only 2 examples... the original Star Trek and Batman TV series, both initially broadcast in 1966, weren't actually in color?

There are hundreds of reasons on which we faked the moon landings but there are zero reasons on why we would ever need to go to the moon

Just as there were "zero reasons" Columbus would ever "need" to find a new trade route to India, therefor the discovery of the Americas "must" have been faked. That appears to be your logic here.

some people say the moon is just like earth [...] others say we faked it because of "WAR" and the space race etc etc.

Yes, people can say anything they want... where's the evidence for any of their (often contradictory) claims?

Technology is so advanced in the year 2008, yet we still cannot land a man on the moon, why?

For the same reason we can't presently get passengers across the ocean at supersonic speeds or send men to the bottom of the Mariana Trench (and bring them back alive, anyway)... nobody's willing to pay for it at the moment.

humans and life is just not suitable to be outside a protective barrier, AKA the atmosphere

So... all ongoing manned orbital activity is fake, too?

we have high tech lasers and we can transfer information wireless, aircraft can move at super sonic speed smashing the sound barrier and don't forget the nuclear weapons we have today in comparison to the atomic bomb we had in the 60's 70's and 80's is amazing.

What do "high tech" lasers, supersonic aircraft or nuclear weapons have to do with sending men to the moon? (And plenty of information was transferred wirelessly long before 1969, thanks to Marconi and/or Tesla. If you really want to get semantic, all information was transferred wirelessly, before wires were invented.)

How can we believe such lies when we cannot reach the moon today?

How can we believe in Concorde when no such capability to transport passengers at supersonic speeds exists today? How can we believe in Trieste when that technology does not exist today, nor has the feat ever been repeated?

If man landed on the moon the documentation and available resources to make standard citizens like you and I research and obtain information so they can further greater increase our tech to improve our "Space Age" would be openly accessible not hidden and classified.

Where have you looked?

The human race is based on knowledge and information

That's funny, I thought it was based on carbon compounds.

if man did land on the moon we would all be living Jetson style and we would have bases on the moon

If Hillary really reached the peak of Mt. Everest way back in 1953, we should have office buildings and condos up there by now, shouldn't we? If Trieste actually reached the bottom of Challenger Deep, we should be partying with Snorks in Sealab 2020, shouldn't we? Were these accomplishments also hoaxes?

Space is an alien environment to mankind

As are the oceans, but people live in them just fine... just not permanently.

we are not aware of the typical weather patterns in space like we are on earth

Of course not... there is no weather in space.

we don't have standard knowledge of such things because every citizen on this planet is not allowed the information to improve such things

Are you suggesting information about space is being actively withheld from the general population? By whom?

humans are a very advanced species unlike all the other species on this planet

And yet, other species are capable of surviving in environments which we cannot. Species capable of synthesizing vitamin C (which humans cannot) might consider themselves more advanced than us.

we have the ability to create devices that can think

For extremely generous definitions of "think," perhaps.

we can design things that are not naturally available meaning we can basically do what we want when we want as long as we have sufficient knowledge of the topic we are studying, creating or attempting to create.

This is perhaps the basic flaw with your premise. Knowledge alone is not enough, it also takes resources. One might be able to design a 200-story skyscraper, but that ability alone does not magically conjur the actual building into existence.

We knew the world was round before any telescope stated it was accurate

I fail to comprehend how a "telescope" would "state" that the world is round.

we knew evolution was reality before any religion stated it as being inaccurate

Eh?

we know we never landed on the moon for the sole reasons of the actual evidence and actual knowledge we have or will have on the subject of the topic in relation to the events that have occurred in the past, present and the anticipating events that may occur in the future.

Or, in far fewer words and much less tangled syntax: "If we landed on the moon in the 60's, we'd all have flying cars and personal jetpacks today. We don't, therefore we didn't." This is a logically flawed argument.

I am currently in the process of writing a book named " Thinkers and followers"

Then I hope you can find an editor which is willing to correct your numerous deficiencies in basic English grammar, assuming that is the language in which you intend to publish.

[PhantomWolf]

The evidence of man landing on the moon is zero

I gave up about here because anyone that considered the thousands of photos, hours of TV and film footage, the testimony of 12 men (24 if you count everyone including those that just flew around it), the remaining hardware, and nearly 400 kg of returned pristine lunar samples, zero, well the rest of the discussion isn't going to be that hot.

In answer to the OP title, no 1969 tech wasn't better than 2008 tech, just different. Since the Saturn V program was shut down there has been no manned rocket capable of getting to the moon (NASA did a study on getting the Shuttle there in 1986 under Reagan, but it was shown to be too difficult to refit the craft with the necessary requirements.) A couple of good analogies are that in 1960 men explored the Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench, however today that isn't possible. Why not? Because the bathyscaphe that did the dive, the Trieste, was decommisioned in 1966 and none that are built today are designed for such depths. We could of course design and build one, but it'd be quite different to the Trieste and would take time to design, build, and test before it would be in operation. A second example is that between 1969 and 2003 it was possible to fly passangers around the world at supersonic speeds. Today it isn't. This isn't because the tech is less, but rather that with the retirement of Concorde, there is no supersonic passanger planes operational anymore. Again that doesn't mean that we couldn't do it, we could design and build a new one, but again it takes time to design, build and test a new plane. (The 787 started development in 2002 and after several delays is due out next year, the A-380 started development in 2000 and took until 2007 to get the first ones into operation and we've been building planes for how long now?)

The same is true with rockets and space ships, they take time to develop. In the case of Orion, it also has to finish its ISS missions before it gets turned loose on the Moon as well, so that adds in another delay that other projects don't see.

[scooter]

They returned to the Moon 6 times after the first Apollo 11 landing (Apollo 12-17), landing on 5 of the missions. In that period, the pursestring holders cut the funding for the 3 final missions (Apollo 18-20). It was an incredibly expensive program, and public excitement was fading rapidly.

If it was faked, there were seven missions giving them plenty of opportunity to blow the hoax secret. Why fake it seven times??? That's just asking for trouble.

What's your evidence for a hoax?

[JayUtah]

I would like to thank Wikipedia and or any links and associated links and sites in relation to my opinions...

Because clearly that's all the research you've done. Unfortunately I don't accept degrees from the University of Wikipedia.

I am a professional engineer working in aerospace, and you don't know what you're talking about.

I am currently in the process of writing a book...

Will it be filled simply with links to the Wikipedia articles that you've uncritically copied? Or will it contain actual research and actual argumentation?

The 1960s were known as the golden age of aerospace. We've generally focused on other things during the most recent decades. But no one who can demonstrate any understanding of the relevant technology believes the Apollo missions did not succeed.

[Grand Lunar]

I was starting to wonder if any new conspiracy theorists were going to visit here. Thanks 3rdrock!

It is not unknown that humans went to the moon from 1968 to 1972 (remember, Apollo 8 made the first voyage to lunar orbit in December of 1968). The only people that this is unknown to are conspiracy theorists that cannot see or accept the evidence.

Indeed, it seems likely that people are more readilty aware of the Apollo missions than the explorations of Antartica, or the deep dives in the ocean.

On that note, in 1961, again before mobile phones and digital cameras, a US sub, the Trieste, took two men to the deepest spot in the ocean, about 35,000 feet deep.
This voyage has never been repeated by another manned sub, even today.

By the logic you employ with Apollo, this implies sub tech in 1961 was better than today.

Of course, in reality, neither is the case.

You see 3rdrock, our tech has focused on getting to low Earth orbit after Apollo was canceled.
Apollo was a specialty item; focused on a lunar mission.
The shuttle, which started in the mid-1970s mind you, was meant as a general purpose, low Earth orbit spacecraft.

The shuttle has really changed little since it's flights began in 1981. So, the US has really been using late 70s, early 80s tech to get into space.

It's more sophisticated, technology-wise compared to Apollo. But it is not meant for the same job as Apollo.

Just as the Trieste was a specialty item for going to the deepest spot of the ocean, so was Apollo a specialy program for going to the moon.

There are hundreds of reasons on which we faked the moon landings but there are zero reasons on why we would ever need to go to the moon...

If this is your belief, then I suppose you apply this logic to ALL space missions then?

[Bob B.]

Sept 20, 2008 13:22:49 GMT -4 3rdrock said:

There are hundreds of reasons on which we faked the moon landings...

Please list them.

[tedward]

I shouldn't really but...
3rdrock, I know it has been mentioned a few times elsewhere but how many supersonic airliners in operation today and was the last one a hoax?

[scubadude402]

About the only thing that i see " Zero Evidence" of in this thread is 3rdrock having a brain. sad.

[raven]

No, no, be nice. If we can't be polite when we have the truth to back us up, well, who can? Besides, it messes with their heads. ;D
Is English your first language 3rdrock? This is not meant as an insult, I am just finding your sentence structure a bit off feeling. To reiterate, I am not insulting you, I just want to know so I am to be extra careful to not base a statement on something you are not actually implying.
Thank you.

[scubadude402]

Yeah, you'r right raven. Sorry to be insulting--i guess thats the firefighter/EMT in me coming out--we have a very low tolerance for ignorance and stupidity as we have to see it everyday ( shootings, stabbings,drugs,etc...) Im sure 3rdrock is actually very smart--he's just be exposed to some bad info, and like most hoax belivers he will not take the time to read and study up on some excellent books about the space program that is available: Moonport,Chariots of Apollo, Moonlander, stages to saturn,This new ocean, Failure is not a option,Jay Windelys web site on the hoax,etc,etc...If they did i guess they would have to let go of their conspiracy that they seem to so desperately need to believe in.

[nomuse]

The moment I saw this;

Sept 20, 2008 13:22:49 GMT -4 3rdrock said:

...just because all the people in 1696 were on acid and thought they had color tv when if fact it was primitive black and white projections does not mean the generations of today will believe the same lies they did in 1969.

I of course thought of this;

www.freewebs.com/calvin-hobbes-org/dadbandwandcolour.jpg


I think I'd rather go to Calvin's dad for science than 3rdrock, here.

[tomblvd]

What's more pathetic, 3rdrock's arguments, or the fact that he put so much effort into his cut-and-paste only to run away after posting?

After being completely eviscerated, you'd think he'd at least try and salvage some of his post.

[laurel]

Sept 20, 2008 21:25:16 GMT -4 tomblvd said:

What's more pathetic, 3rdrock's arguments, or the fact that he put so much effort into his cut-and-paste only to run away after posting?

After being completely eviscerated, you'd think he'd at least try and salvage some of his post.

He might come back tomorrow, I think it's a little soon to say for sure that this was a hit-and-run post.