Jason
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Post by Jason on Jan 23, 2009 19:25:27 GMT -4
As I pointed out, President Obama has left a loophole in his executive order to allow for possible future waterboarding if necessary.
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Post by RAF on Jan 23, 2009 19:50:18 GMT -4
As I pointed out, President Obama has left a loophole in his executive order to allow for possible future waterboarding if necessary. To allow for...Either you've developed mind reading powers (highly doubtful), or you have once again misrepresented something someone has said/done to conform to your own personal biases. Try sticking to facts and only facts.
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Jason
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Post by Jason on Jan 23, 2009 19:52:52 GMT -4
The facts are that the Executive Order applies only to the military. Extra-military agencies may operate under different guidelines if they are recommended by the panel.
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Post by RAF on Jan 23, 2009 20:04:57 GMT -4
Nice try, but that is not what you said.
You STRONGLY implied that Obama sighed the order with the intention of it being "loopholed" later.
Sorry to shout, but YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT.
Why is it impossible for you to understand that??
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Post by craiglamson on Jan 23, 2009 22:10:58 GMT -4
Let's all get along, agree to disagree, okay? It's not like the topic of the hoax theory, where there's science to back us up. This subject delves into opinion. I'm sorry, but I think the subject of whether or not what the US does is torture is very important. I agree that the subject of someone's upbringing is not necessarily relevant to that issue, but I do think it's very important that the US acknowledging that, oh, waterboarding is torture. Clearly, so does Obama. Well then if waterboarding is torture then why is it used IN TRAINING in the US military?
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Post by RAF on Jan 23, 2009 22:32:04 GMT -4
Well then if waterboarding is torture then why is it used IN TRAINING in the US military? So are you saying that you, personally, have been waterboarded??
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Post by craiglamson on Jan 23, 2009 22:33:43 GMT -4
Well then if waterboarding is torture then why is it used IN TRAINING in the US military? So are you saying that you, personally, have been waterboarded?? Where in the world did that come from? Do you have trouble READING or are you just daft?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jan 23, 2009 22:52:50 GMT -4
Please stop the personal attacks. I'm sure it's possible to disagree with people without resorting to insults.
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Post by craiglamson on Jan 24, 2009 0:17:19 GMT -4
Please stop the personal attacks. I'm sure it's possible to disagree with people without resorting to insults. Its a fair question given the reply I received. Either he can't read or he is daft. Quite simple really. It was nowhere near a personal attack.
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Post by RAF on Jan 24, 2009 0:21:26 GMT -4
Wow...I just asked a question.
Is that what I sound like when I "go off"??
Back on topic...I've been told that waterboarding feels like you are drowning, and that is something I know about because I almost drowned when I was a teenager.
I can't imagine that feeling lasting for hour after hour...
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Post by gillianren on Jan 24, 2009 0:42:24 GMT -4
Well then if waterboarding is torture then why is it used IN TRAINING in the US military? First, do you have evidence that it is? I hadn't heard that before. Second, if it is, I can't fathom why. However, that doesn't mean it isn't torture, just that the army is torturing its recruits, which strikes me as also a bad idea.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Jan 24, 2009 0:50:39 GMT -4
Let's all get along, agree to disagree, okay? It's not like the topic of the hoax theory, where there's science to back us up. This subject delves into opinion. I'm sorry, but I think the subject of whether or not what the US does is torture is very important. I agree that the subject of someone's upbringing is not necessarily relevant to that issue, but I do think it's very important that the US acknowledging that, oh, waterboarding is torture. Clearly, so does Obama. I intended to refer to the original intent of this thread; leaving Bush behind, and looking forward to what Obama brings. I do agree that it is important to address the issue of torture. It really ought to get it's own thread. This one has long since departed the tracks.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jan 24, 2009 2:03:50 GMT -4
I'm sorry, but I think the subject of whether or not what the US does is torture is very important. I agree that the subject of someone's upbringing is not necessarily relevant to that issue, but I do think it's very important that the US acknowledging that, oh, waterboarding is torture. Clearly, so does Obama. Well then if waterboarding is torture then why is it used IN TRAINING in the US military? References, please.
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Post by craiglamson on Jan 24, 2009 10:21:34 GMT -4
Well then if waterboarding is torture then why is it used IN TRAINING in the US military? First, do you have evidence that it is? I hadn't heard that before. Second, if it is, I can't fathom why. However, that doesn't mean it isn't torture, just that the army is torturing its recruits, which strikes me as also a bad idea. Of course I have evidence, I would not have made the point without it. We have been doing it for decades. Here is a great first hand account: www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23220#continueAAs a side note I have a good friend whs has taken S.E.R.E. He makes the same point, you WILL talk and you will be unharmed.
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Post by craiglamson on Jan 24, 2009 10:23:01 GMT -4
As I pointed out, President Obama has left a loophole in his executive order to allow for possible future waterboarding if necessary. Yes he did, a quite BIG hole. An interesting take on the loophole: www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30384
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