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Post by altair4 on Feb 27, 2008 17:22:42 GMT -4
hi
I was just watching the debate with Hillary and Obama,Hillary maybe down in the polls but I still think there is hope for her yet!!
everyday is a new day..its not over till its over!
lets here those singing angels!!
(and if she fails,and I am wrong,then I still think Obama would be a good choice...if he succeeds in making president I think he could make a good role model!
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Post by lionking on Feb 27, 2008 17:29:10 GMT -4
isn't the press making fun of the fight over presidency? ours is yalibnan.com/site/tv/2007/11/aoun_for_president_kicking_and.phpYour candidates can be good if any of them won. ours are not like that. the country has been since november without a president. when the majority bloc finally agreed on one with the opposition, the opposition started adding more conditions. where did this happen in history?
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Post by lionking on Feb 27, 2008 17:51:46 GMT -4
by the way, I like Hillary. I think she is a firm woman, so she can be a model for women. She dealt well with her husband's scndal of Lewinsky. she never abandoned him and kept the family ties. I hope she can be as lenient as Clinton was. I think he was a good president.
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Post by Jason on Feb 27, 2008 17:57:27 GMT -4
So your model for women is someone who is a senator and a candidate for President only because of who she is married to?
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Post by lionking on Feb 27, 2008 18:09:35 GMT -4
no. I said she seems of a strong personality
but iam sure she would benefit from her husband's experience, and he will advise her on how to act.
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Post by Jason on Feb 27, 2008 18:24:09 GMT -4
I think you missed my point. I was saying that her current prominence is not due to any acheivement of her own, but because of who her husband is. Therefore adopting her as a role model is in effect saying to women "your success depends on who you are married to." Not exactly a feminist ideal.
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Post by lionking on Feb 27, 2008 18:25:39 GMT -4
i am speaking of the mere fact she is a woman and might become a president of the strongest country in the world. That is feminine.
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Post by Jason on Feb 27, 2008 18:46:39 GMT -4
But the only reason she is a serious candidate for president is because of who she is married to, not anything she did.
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Post by Ginnie on Feb 27, 2008 19:20:44 GMT -4
From what I've seen, if Bill had butted out of her campaign from the beginning, she'd be in a better position to challenge the Democratic leadership.
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Post by echnaton on Feb 27, 2008 23:09:48 GMT -4
From what I've seen, if Bill had butted out of her campaign from the beginning, she'd be in a better position to challenge the Democratic leadership. Maybe, but what was the chance of Bill not getting in front of the cameras. There apparently is a movement afoot in Texas encouraging Republicans to vote for Hillary in the Democratic Primary. The rational is that the better she does, the longer and more bitter the Dem primary season and convention will be and that will be good for Republicans. There was an article in th Wall Street Journal today discussing Hillary's dim prospects in Texas. She is quite popular among Hispanic voters, but because of the way delegates are apportioned, several key Clinton strongholds will have relatively few delegates. This is largely because a district's delegate count is set based on actual voting for Democratic candidates. Bush's popularity with Hispanics caused many to vote for him instead of Kerry so those regions have fewer delegates.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Feb 27, 2008 23:15:25 GMT -4
I was saying that her current prominence is not due to any acheivement of her own, but because of who her husband is. I'm quite certain that the current President got a bit of a boost because of who his daddy is, and yet you don't mind supporting him. Double standard?
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Post by Al Johnston on Feb 28, 2008 6:14:15 GMT -4
Is this where Obama got his "Yes we can" slogan from? ;D
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Post by Jason on Feb 28, 2008 12:32:11 GMT -4
I was saying that her current prominence is not due to any acheivement of her own, but because of who her husband is. I'm quite certain that the current President got a bit of a boost because of who his daddy is, and yet you don't mind supporting him. Double standard? I don't think the current President is really a role model to guys everywhere, the way lionking is trying to frame Mrs. Clinton as a feminist totem. We've already had lots of white male presidents - about 43 of them, I believe.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Feb 28, 2008 12:47:02 GMT -4
Hillary Clinton went to Yale, served as an attorney for many years, and has been in the Senate for almost 8 years. Some might even say that her 8 years as First Lady are considered "political experience." So even if she wasn't married to a former President, wouldn't she still be qualified for the job?
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Post by Jason on Feb 28, 2008 12:51:31 GMT -4
Hillary Clinton went to Yale, served as an attorney for many years, and has been in the Senate for almost 8 years. Some might even say that her 8 years as First Lady are considered "political experience." So even if she wasn't married to a former President, wouldn't she still be qualified for the job? She might still be qualified (after all, the only thing you legally need to qualify is age), but she wouldn't be in the position she is. For one thing, she wouldn't be a Senator for New York either if it weren't for Bill. I'm just saying if you want a role-model, chose someone who is not defined publicly and politically primarily by who they are married to, which Mrs. Clinton, unfortunately for her, is.
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