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Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 13, 2008 21:42:48 GMT -4
you tell me where "orbs" that materialise out of nowhere come from
The overactive imagination of people who can't explain something.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 13, 2008 21:43:46 GMT -4
I'll try to be nice Lunar Orbit!! Judging by your inability to follow my past requests I don't hold much hope for you.
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Post by Jason on Mar 13, 2008 22:07:21 GMT -4
So whats it like debunking things,I take pleasure in knowing from experience! Experience? As far as I can tell your "experience" consists of owning a book and living in New Zealand. So you've been on one of the flying saucers? Seen the inside? Just examined the outside? What sort of "experience" are you talking about here? I think you've had plenty already. In fact, there was probably more than just coffee in that last mug.
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Post by gillianren on Mar 13, 2008 23:52:00 GMT -4
Orbs? Seriously?
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 14, 2008 0:31:56 GMT -4
where is your proof MJ12 was a hoax? FBI website?
To begin with -- Klass, in Skeptical Inquirer. However, when the attributed Truman letter was found conclusively to have been forged, that made headlines.
Now instead of trying to write those people off as ignoramuses or inside shills, why don't you go look at what they actually said and see if you can argue according to the facts instead of according to vague insinuation.
what would you say to Friedman or Marcel,Jr
I would tell them I think it's a hoax, and I would explain why I believed that, and if they had anything to say in response to my evidence I would consider it.
What would you tell Klass? Would you call him ignorant and deluded because he doesn't work in a bank? Would you tell him that you live in New Zealand and therefore you can't be wrong? That's the gist of all you've given us for an argument. I'm tired of it.
I asked you if you graduated from university. Please answer.
A lot of things change as things come to light
What do you think science does? The whole practice of science is the incorporation of new observation into prevailing theories to make them more predictive.
The difference between that and pseudoscience is that science knows how to test observations for reliability, and knows not to confuse speculation with explanation. Science actually does things. Pseudoscience is left with "somehow they must generate a gravity field."
Psychology is a pseudoscience its just crap its an exact science,well documented...
Straw man. This is the second time you've tried to interject psychology into this discussion. I thought we were discussing the physics of anti-gravity as it relates to alleged Nazi flying saucers.
UFO believers are not researchers,yeah right tell that to people that have seen something themselves I have...
That's not research. You want UFO enthusiasts to be taken with a high degree of credibility without their having to display any rigor. Sorry, but credibility is earned, not demanded.
Just because someone saw something he can't identify doesn't mean his interpretation of the event is correct. Real researchers know how to separate observation from interpretation. UFO enthusiasts don't, because the whole purpose of UFO "scholarship" is to advocate alien spacecraft as the explanation for practically any sighting that can't be immediately tied to some other cause.
...you tell me where "orbs" that materialise out of nowhere come from
What specific "orbs" are we talking about?
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 14, 2008 0:33:08 GMT -4
As far as I can tell your "experience" consists of owning a book and living in New Zealand.
And working in a bank. None of which has anything to do with the ability to discern whether the Nazi flying saucer theories have any basis in physical reality.
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Post by Data Cable on Mar 14, 2008 0:45:44 GMT -4
The Nazis obviously figured out how to harness invisible pink unicorns... with wings.
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 14, 2008 2:12:37 GMT -4
A combination unicorn and Pegasus? A horse with all the optional add-ons. I wonder if that voids the warranty.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Mar 14, 2008 7:08:16 GMT -4
Those unicorn horns (invisible) must be a bit of a pain in the derriere for the pilot if he stands in the wrong place. Could he sue for occupational injury compensation?
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Jason
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Post by Jason on Mar 14, 2008 10:50:36 GMT -4
As far as I can tell your "experience" consists of owning a book and living in New Zealand.And working in a bank. None of which has anything to do with the ability to discern whether the Nazi flying saucer theories have any basis in physical reality. I've worked at a bank for the past six and a half years and it hasn't given me any insight into Nazi flying saucers.
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Post by gillianren on Mar 14, 2008 14:39:45 GMT -4
A combination unicorn and Pegasus? A horse with all the optional add-ons. I wonder if that voids the warranty. We used to spend a lot of time playing "imaginary games" about those when I was in second grade. (It was better than tetherball.)
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 14, 2008 16:12:55 GMT -4
It was better than tetherball.
And it didn't require any athletic skill. Or a ball.
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Post by gillianren on Mar 14, 2008 21:59:35 GMT -4
Or waiting for the tough, mean girls to stop playing.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 15, 2008 0:37:07 GMT -4
I have lived all my life in New Zealand and I've seen a programme about flying saucers by Nick Cook. Does that make me as qualified as Altair4?
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Post by Al Johnston on Mar 15, 2008 9:32:55 GMT -4
If it had only been two programmes, you'd be even more qualified ;D
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