|
|
Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 4, 2005 3:02:14 GMT -4
Back in this post, margamatix posted what he considered to be his idea of a lunar lander.  Like peterb, I'd like to just keep this to me and him, if he's still talking to me, so that we can discuss his idea without 50 others jumping into the mix. I've tried to clean up the idea that you posted margamatix and I came up with this:  The bottom arrow with nothing on it is supposed to say Engine. Just to make sure we're on the same page, is this what you had in mind with you image above? |
|
|
|
Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 8, 2005 21:42:52 GMT -4
Just bumping this for margamatix since I saw he's back. Just in case he missed it.
|
|
|
|
Post by margamatix on Oct 9, 2005 3:54:20 GMT -4
That's quite neat, and as plausible as anything else, although I included some astronauts to give a sense of scale. What is the point you would like to make?
|
|
|
|
Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 9, 2005 4:06:37 GMT -4
I was wanting to explore your reasonings for it. For example, you didn't give it any landing gear, so it seems to have to land on the engine bells themselves. do you really think that this would be very good. What happens if you damage an engine bell on landing. Your design also appears to have the entire module as one piece, so wouldn't it be possible to strand the astronauts with this design if you damged the engines?
|
|
|
|
Post by margamatix on Oct 9, 2005 13:07:12 GMT -4
I was wanting to explore your reasonings for it. For example, you didn't give it any landing gear, so it seems to have to land on the engine bells themselves. I just saw a Boeing 737 fly over my house, and that didn't seem to have any landing gear either. . What happens if you damage an engine bell on landing. Your design also appears to have the entire module as one piece, so wouldn't it be possible to strand the astronauts with this design if you damged the engines? Yes- stranding astronauts on the moon would be dreadful, but to get around this problem, I wouldn't really send it to the moon- simply pretend to. I would fake the whole lot at some air force base somewhere. |
|
Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
Posts: 1,453
|
Post by Al Johnston on Oct 9, 2005 14:39:44 GMT -4
I just saw a Boeing 737 fly over my house, and that didn't seem to have any landing gear either. So your design has retractable undercarriage? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes- stranding astronauts on the moon would be dreadful, but to get around this problem, I wouldn't really send it to the moon- simply pretend to. I would fake the whole lot at some air force base somewhere. Just as well: you'd have a job getting that much lead off the ground at all. Thing is, no-one (worth mentioning) would believe you'd done anything other than fake it. |
|
|
|
Post by margamatix on Oct 9, 2005 14:47:52 GMT -4
I just saw a Boeing 737 fly over my house, and that didn't seem to have any landing gear either. So your design has retractable undercarriage? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes- stranding astronauts on the moon would be dreadful, but to get around this problem, I wouldn't really send it to the moon- simply pretend to. I would fake the whole lot at some air force base somewhere. Just as well: you'd have a job getting that much lead off the ground at all. Thing is, no-one (worth mentioning) would believe you'd done anything other than fake it. What part of Like peterb, I'd like to just keep this to me and him, did you not understand? |
|
Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
Posts: 1,453
|
Post by Al Johnston on Oct 9, 2005 14:53:04 GMT -4
Couldn't resist the laugh.
If Phantom Wolf complains, I'll apologise to him.
It's not up to you.
|
|
|
|
Post by margamatix on Oct 9, 2005 15:16:23 GMT -4
I don't mind if you are here on this thread Al, not at all, but PW himself asked that it was kept between himself and me.
Provided that the Administrator understands that this was intended by the OP to be a two-way conversation, and provided that you do not complain that you are being "trolled" on this specific thread, then as far as I'm concerned, you are welcome.
The point I was making with my drawing- which was posted onto a thread which was "chat-room-like" at the time, and was therefore meant to be tongue-in-cheek, was that the USSR stated that five feet of lead would be necessary to shield space travellers from the effects of radiation.
And I believe them.
|
|
Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
Posts: 1,453
|
Post by Al Johnston on Oct 9, 2005 15:26:44 GMT -4
the USSR stated that five feet of lead would be necessary to shield space travellers from the effects of radiation. When? Why, if they believed that to be the case, did they not design their Vostok, Voskhod, Soyuz or Zond spacecraft (not to mention their lunar landing vehicle)with this feature? |
|
|
|
Post by margamatix on Oct 9, 2005 16:00:41 GMT -4
the USSR stated that five feet of lead would be necessary to shield space travellers from the effects of radiation. Why, if they believed that to be the case, did they not design their Vostok, Voskhod, Soyuz or Zond spacecraft (not to mention their lunar landing vehicle)with this feature? I will research these missions, but my instinct tells me that the answer will be "because the above missions only flew a few hundred miles above Earth". You have to understand the massive difference between what is claimed for Apollo, and what is accepted as fact in space exploration. Apart from for Apollo, no country claims to have ever sent any man, woman or animal more than 280 miles away from Earth. The USA claims- for Apollo- that they sent men 240,000 miles away from Earth, and that these men landed on another body, took off again and then returned 240,000 miles to Earth. And they did this in an untried craft without any loss of life. Six times. |
|
Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
Posts: 1,453
|
Post by Al Johnston on Oct 9, 2005 16:20:08 GMT -4
When you do the research you'll find that several animals were sent around the Moon in a Zond spacecraft.
And survived.
Without 5 feet of lead shielding.
What you need is to be able to separate what you can believe from what the rest of us know.
|
|
|
|
Post by frenat on Oct 9, 2005 16:39:54 GMT -4
And the craft was hardly "untried". Apollos 8,9, and 10 all tested various parts of the system with 8 and 10 making the same journey to the moon that the 7 following did.
|
|
|
|
Post by margamatix on Oct 9, 2005 16:48:52 GMT -4
And the craft was hardly "untried". Apollos 8,9, and 10 all tested various parts of the system with 8 and 10 making the same journey to the moon that the 7 following did. Apollo 8 & 10 landed on the moon? |
|
Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
Posts: 1,453
|
Post by Al Johnston on Oct 9, 2005 16:49:44 GMT -4
Not to mention Apollos 4 & 6: unmanned missions proving that the basic going up and coming back could be done without unnecessary hazard.
|
|
