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Post by gwiz on Oct 17, 2006 3:02:55 GMT -4
Looks to me as if the sun angle is such as to illuminate the visor surface rather than give a reflection, so we're looking at smears and dust, at least in the upper part. The lower part could be a reflection of the rover, as he is obviouly standing close to it to get the antennae in the picture..
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Post by HeadLikeARock (was postbaguk) on Oct 17, 2006 5:45:58 GMT -4
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Post by gwiz on Oct 17, 2006 6:30:04 GMT -4
Once someone points out that his face is also visible through the visor, it's easy to see it: an overlay of face, visor surface dust and rover reflection. A bit like the Escher "Three Worlds" picture.
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Post by HeadLikeARock (was postbaguk) on Oct 17, 2006 15:48:00 GMT -4
[quote author=gwiz board=theories thread=1157387145 post=1161081004Once someone points out that his face is also visible through the visor, it's easy to see it: an overlay of face, visor surface dust and rover reflection. A bit like the Escher "Three Worlds" picture.[/quote] Sadly, it's typical JW tactics. Show people a small part of the whole picture, and expect them to see what it is. What he's trying to prove I'm unsure. I think he was hoping to get a string of answers of people making wild guesses as to what they thought it was, then to pull his rabbit out of the hat and say - "No! NASA would have you believe it's an astronaut on the moon! How can they say that when we all see something else?" Fortunately he didn't get many biters... By the way, on the MSN forum there are STILL people who don't understand what they see, despite being given the high resolution version of the image, written descriptions of it, colour coded diagrammes to show where the different visors are... it's grinding me down. groups.msn.com/Moonhoax/messages.msnwPrepare to be dismayed. I think there is a small glimmer of hope for some of these chaps, bless 'em... but I'm not convinced.
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Post by Kiwi on Oct 18, 2006 8:01:35 GMT -4
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Post by ajv on Oct 18, 2006 17:16:50 GMT -4
The big difference between 20471 and 20472 is that in 20471 Schmitt has the sun visor half raised. Below the sun visor we're seeing a combination of external reflections (from the clear layers of the protective visor and the transparent PHA - i.e. the bubble helmet) and (possibly) Schmitt's face inside the helmet.
I don't think Jack White is aware that the sun visor can raise and change the type of reflections.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 18, 2006 22:04:10 GMT -4
well 472 seems to have trhe rover about the bottom, a whitenes that make be Cerne and as lot of lunar surface and rocks colored gold by the helmet's visor.
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Post by Count Zero on Oct 19, 2006 2:22:15 GMT -4
Transmission garbled. Please say again. Over.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 19, 2006 17:03:00 GMT -4
heh. I was saying that if you look at the reflect in Jack's visor in photo 20472 then you can see the LRV's refelction curved around the bottom of it. There is a white spot in the centre that is likely to be Cernan taking Jack's photo and the rest of it is the Lunar surface behind the LRV.
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Post by gwiz on Nov 1, 2006 6:16:12 GMT -4
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Post by colinr on Nov 1, 2006 9:32:39 GMT -4
Jack White the king of Jpeg Atrifacting ..... he's played this trick over and over again .. all to no effect .."imaginative researcher" - Please ..... OK I'll grant you they may have imagination - but that's it! sorry for the annoyed tone , but I've followed Jack's nonsence on the Education board for overa year, and he's yet to accept that ANY of "analysis" he's carried out have been anything other than WRONG...
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Post by lenbrazil on Nov 1, 2006 12:21:15 GMT -4
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Post by gwiz on Nov 1, 2006 12:50:19 GMT -4
Jack claims there is no air to hold dust to scatter light, but the glass in the CM window was never clean due to launch contamination plus outgassing contaminents from the sealing material, so always caused some scattering, and a camera lens will also scatter light, especially if it has dust or smears on it. Another factor is the sun shining on to the window, again scattering light. This will give an overall brighter background rather than the hotspots where bright areas of the LM reflect. It could be that the bright flares in Jack's copy are lost in yours because the overall brightness of your copy is lower. They are present in the best copy I could find: dayton.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/LARGE/GPN-2000-001210.jpg
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Post by lenbrazil on Nov 1, 2006 22:14:08 GMT -4
Gwiz can I quote you on the Education Forum?
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Post by gwiz on Nov 2, 2006 5:23:10 GMT -4
Gwiz can I quote you on the Education Forum? Feel free, no problem
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